I had a great interview with Unassisted Homebirth Pioneers Bob and Lynn Griesemer
I’m so glad that Bob and Lynn were able to be on the show today. The full hour interview is embedded in the player below:

I’m so glad that Bob and Lynn were able to be on the show today. The full hour interview is embedded in the player below:
by Jenny Hatch

I had many contractions during my pregnancy but five days before Ben was born things changed and I had some contractions that came every five minutes that were really hard and opened my cervix enough that I started to pass some mucous plug with lots of bloody show. I was excited and felt happy that after so many years of hoping for another baby, my empty arms would soon be filled.
That afternoon my contractions picked up and I thought I was in true labor. Physically they took all of my energy. Emotionally I found that I had a battle on my hands. The battle can be summed up as a type of spiritual warfare. It was not just my battle. My husband Paul also experienced five days of his own fight. For him, the fears swirled around his issues with the powers that be. We had an unassisted birth six years before that resulted in a transfer to the hospital.
The most critical post birth complications are Baby not breathing and Mom bleeding. With that birth we had both problems crop up, and decided to call 911 for assistance. I am grateful for the help we had after our birth, and for the learning that resulted from not having things go well. Had everything gone perfectly, we would have missed a great opportunity these past six years, the opportunity to learn more. I did much research on bleeding issues and Paul took an infant CPR class. These efforts comforted us and helped us to feel more prepared this time around.
Even with these preparations and our deep religious faith, the five days before Benjamin’s birth was a time of trial. Our faith in natural childbirth and unassisted birth in particular was put to the test.
After the birth Paul said he thought those five days were for him, to battle it out in his mind. To determine the type of life we were going to live, and whether or not we would cave to the pressure – mostly internal pressure (but based upon a fearful reality) to conform to society and live a mainstream life. Or if we were going to overcome our fears of being labeled and/or prosecuted as “medical neglecters” by doctors and social workers and live the life we have felt guided to with home birth, home school and what I term “Family Sovereignty” as the ideal for our family.
Happily our battle resulted in a perfect outcome on all levels; emotionally, spiritually, and even though I had a difficult time physically – I was much more concerned about the long term affects of this birth on my psyche, my marriage, and my relationships than I was on the short term physical pain.
I hope my insights will be helpful to those of you who are preparing for an unassisted birth. We must understand that Laura Shanley is right, and it is our beliefs as mothers that largely affect our birth outcomes. Our husbands and families beliefs also deeply affect us, as well as anyone else we decide to invite into our home to assist us with the labor.
Because I can’t control how others feel about birth and only have control over my own mind, I was drawn to unassisted birth as a means of SAFELY welcoming my children without having to deal with other people’s fears. I felt this negativity during my three hospital births, especially from the medical people around me. I studied Quantum Mechanics in college and didn’t understand why these so called scientists hadn’t embraced these same truths in their physics classes. But perhaps their obstetrical educations had deprived them of the truth surrounding belief.
If I learned nothing else during my first solo birth, I learned that birth for me was easy, unhindered, and smooth when I was alone. (I called Paul up to help me during Andy’s birth in 1996 only after I had pushed out his head).
On Sunday night, October 20th 2002, my contractions completely stopped and we enjoyed a quiet spiritual evening with our older children. We talked to them about birth and told them stories from their own labors that illustrated the true nature of natural childbirth with its many stops and starts. We sang and prayed together and all went to bed excited, but willing to wait.
The next day, I again had a long period of pre-labor that lasted for hours. I passed more mucous plug and felt the contractions really getting strong. It had been a full moon that night and I enjoyed watching the moon go down out of my west facing bedroom window as I contracted in the birth pool during the early morning hours of Monday. I heard the children start to wake up and felt things slow down and then I fell asleep in the water. When I woke up everything had stopped.
That day I went about my normal routine but Paul decided to work from home. He ended up working from home all week. This was one of the happiest weeks we have ever had. We decided to let the children take the week off from schoolwork and spent hours playing at the park, walking, and cooking/eating together. On Monday night I walked to my exercise class and as soon as I sat down on my mat, my water broke. It was all over my pants and the mat, and I decided to go home. Once home, I again felt excitement/nervousness that my baby would mostly likely come soon. None of my previous labors had started with the water breaking and so this was new for us.
I was surprised how much fluid spilled out of me over the next 72 hours. It was a lightly tinged green color and smelled alive, like a fresh rain on autumn leaves. I noticed that each time I ate, drank, or walked the fluid came out in a gush. I used cloth diapers to catch it and was really surprised that my body could leak so much without going into labor. I mourned the loss of my water birth. With the membranes ruptured and water leaking all over the place I knew it would not be wise to get into the pool. I really focused on staying well hydrated, nourished, upbeat, and rested. I also asked my doula to come give me a few massages and bring me wheat grass juice. I used the juice to help keep my blood clean, hematocrit up, and to nourish the baby.
My daughters gave me a raindrop therapy each of those three days. (If you want to order the raindrop therapy kit go to Young Living and use my member number 29526 to get this fabulous aromatherapy kit!) This is an essential oil treatment that is an overall boost to the body. I did it to help prevent infection and to give me energy. We made the decision not to tell anyone that my water had broken. We told the kids, but asked them not to share the news, and they didn’t.
I had a few contractions but nothing regular for the three days my water was broken and that was a blessing as the uterine activity of Sunday had really tired me out. I took lots of naps and spent most of my emotional energy working on my thoughts, keeping them pure. It was very powerful for me to run the lyrics to some of my favorite songs through my mind. I will share the words from one of these songs. The music helped me to stay focused on my child and not get lost in fear, the greatest of which was the fear of a prolapsed cord.
Paper Dream – Reprise 2 (From the musical Saturday’s Warrior)
I take some paper in my hand, and with a pencil draw a man,
The dream of what I’d really, really like to be.
A man with courage in his brow, whose licked his doubts and fears somehow,
A Warrior of great nobility.
But who am I? Just a wandering kid, a cipher on the wall,
Not even brave at all.
And where’s my dream like his that I would fight for?
And where’s my cause like his that I would die for?
But still the paper’s in my hand and every day I sketch the man,
The dream of what I’d really like to be.
A man with courage in his brow, whose licked his doubts and fears somehow.
A Warrior of great nobility.
A brave and noble fiery youth, who’s not afraid to die for truth
Whose tall and straight but best of all he’s free,
He’s free.
I ran the words to this song through my mind a hundred times over those three days, and each time they gave me strength and courage. I also sang hymns, quoted myself scripture and belief suggestions and realized that during this time it was crucial that I stay mindful of my thoughts every waking moment. Each time the fear would come into my heart; fear of infection, fear that I would never go into labor, fear of prolapsed cord, and fear of someone learning that my water had broken and might try to convince me or force me to be induced, I would just switch the negative thoughts to positive and run the words through my mind, usually the words to the above quoted song. A few times I went down to my piano and played the music of this song, and each time I started to cry as I thought of my warrior son who was soon to be born. It was a comfort to me to cook and clean and stay focused on my housework as a way to distract myself from the reality of the situation (two full weeks overdue and water broken). The day before I went into labor I found myself cleaning under my stove and scrubbing it all over. I thought about deep cleaning my oven, but I decided to save that task for another day.
The day I went into labor was just a normal day. I went for a walk, had a massage, tended my nephew and cooked and cleaned. We took a few pictures and my visiting teachers stopped by. About 5PM I came downstairs to make a milk shake with calcium/magnesium and minerals and then I decided to check my emails. I was writing to my friend Veronika Robinson when contractions really picked up. As I typed out my email to her, I told her I thought I might be going into real labor, and once finished I headed upstairs to my bed. I laid down in a semi reclining position with lots of pillows supporting my back, my arms and legs. I contracted for two hours with little noise, but as things picked up in intensity, I started to vocalize loudly. As the contraction would start I would start a low moan that gradually became a loud AHHHHHHHHH! This very effectively moved all of the energy in my uterus up out of my body through my mouth and made it so I was able to handle the first five hours of this six hour labor very effectively on my own.
Paul and the children were in and out of the room a few times asking me if I thought this was really it, I was in my own space and was rather vague about my progression. Paul did bring me a couple of hot, wet cloth diapers to place on my bottom and I used my oils; Gentle baby, Valor, Panaway, and Myrrh to help my body stretch and prepare.
At one point I was all alone as Paul had fallen asleep in the children’s room on the floor while reading them stories, and one by one they also fell asleep. I used the toilet a few times to keep my bladder empty but always returned to my position on my back on the bed. At one point I sang the song “When you Believe” from The Prince of Egypt out loud. I had chosen this song to be the theme song of the Unassisted Childbirth movement back in 1998. The words are perfect, powerful and were a great strength to me as I approached transition. I was battling a fear that one of the reasons I bled so badly with my last birth was because I had squatted during pushing, and so I was determined to push the baby out on my bed in the semi reclining position. I continued to gush amniotic fluid during the labor and focused on staying well hydrated with a water bottle by my side.
During transition, which only lasted a few minutes, the contractions were one on top of the other and I was VERY loud with my vocalizing. Paul woke up during this time and came in and asked me how things were going. He wanted to know if he could do anything to help and I asked him to sing me hymns. So he sat down on my rocking chair and pulled out the hymnbook and started singing. He sang for the first hour of my pushing. I cannot emphasize enough how powerful an activity this was. It had the combined effect of inviting the spirit of the Lord into our home and calming my spirit. Paul sang “When Faith Endures,” which was the hymn that I had chosen to be the theme of our 2001 Unassisted Childbirth conference….
I will not doubt, I will not fear. God’s love and strength are always near.
His promised gift helps me to find, an inner strength and peace of mind.
I give the father willingly, my trust, my prayers, humility.
His spirit guides, his love assures that fear departs when faith endures.
I was starting to get tired after an hour of pushing on the bed and I prayed and asked God which position would be best for me to effectively push the baby out. I felt that I should stand and squat during my contractions. In prayer I expressed my fear of bleeding and I felt a calm assurance that I would not bleed too much. So I stood up. As the next contraction came on I squatted down deeply by my bed and pushed! I felt the baby inch slowly down with each push. In between contractions I sat on my birthing ball and rested. As his head moved down, I felt an increasing pain in my back, hips and pelvis. I have had three painless vaginal births and so this was new for me. I have determined that the difference was pushing with the water bag intact compared to not having much water gushing along with that fifteen inch head. It was like birthing a brick. As his head worked its way down I felt so much pain I wondered if I could do it. Never did I even consider going to the hospital or using drugs, but I did have a few moments of self doubt, wondering how big the baby was, and what if it was breech or posterior? I continued to have the fear of a prolapsed cord and as this fear worked in me, I just felt determined to get my child born.
I pushed with everything I had using the Bradley technique of breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out and then deep breath in…put chin on chest, hold breath and PUSH!! It was very effective combined with the full squat. During the last few contractions I felt this heat overtake my body and sweat was just pouring off me. I asked Paul to turn on the ceiling fan and then he poured water all over my head and back. I told him to put some Panaway on my back and he tossed about 30 drops of it all over my back and hips. Then he rubbed my lower back during the contractions in a very effective counter pressure. It didn’t take the pain away but it did make it possible for me to do it. On the third to last contraction I felt Ben’s head all of a sudden move in a big way through the birth canal and I reached down and felt his head crowning. I was concerned about tearing, and thought about asking for a hot compress, but decided I wanted Paul behind me ready to catch rather than in the bathroom getting me a cloth. Paul pulled out the bulb syringe and prepared himself.
With the second to last contraction I pushed out his head, and then with the final one out came his body. These contractions were closer together and he was born quickly from the time he crowned. Paul sucked out his nose and mouth before he was completely born and then caught him. As he passed Ben to me through my legs I turned to look at him and saw him leaping for joy. I have heard of many men fainting in the delivery room, or having a fear of fainting while their wives give birth, but I have never heard of a father jumping for JOY when the baby is safely born. Paul did and it is my favorite memory of the birth.

I passed the placenta within fifteen minutes with a large plop, and then bled a little. We used prayer and blessings during this time to help with my pain and various post birth symptoms. The children started to wake up, and one by one they came into our bedroom. We took many pictures and had a joyful three hours bonding with our 9 and ½ pound boy. Then the children all went back to bed and Paul and I fell asleep on our bed with Benjamin nestled on his chest.
After our wedding day, this day was the happiest, most fulfilling day of our life!

Paul and Ben

The Hatch Family
Portrait of Benjamin by Susana Fierro-Baig.
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How do they nurture this closeness?
Couples can do many things to increase or maintain a sense of marital bonding.
One way is to share deep, human experiences.
Birthing a baby is the physical manifestation of the couple’s love, and what better way to bond than at the birth of their baby?!
What woman wouldn’t want an intimate, pleasurable birth?
Why do many husbands shy away from getting involved in birth?
Many people are so fixated on the idea that birth is painful and requires experts that they neglect two important aspects: (1) a woman in labor giving birth should be treated with dignity and reverence and (2) The couple should have a romantic or private atmosphere.
Bob and Lynn Griesemer believe that the potential impact on the marital bond is
However, UHB strengthens the relationship because it is a shared event during one of life’s key moments.
It requires healthy communication and is filled with tenderness, compassion, gentleness and honesty.
Bob and Lynn will share all this and more, including:
Bob and Lynn Griesemer are the parents of six children, age 7‐22. Four were born in the hospital and the youngest two were born at home unassisted.
lynn@unassistedhomebirth.com to request your complimentary copy of Lynn’s article:
Jane Palmer’s wonderful video montage of the rallies for women’s right to choose what happens to their bodies in childbirth
And some media on the ‘issue’
The Sunrise piece that seems to have stirred up the Government
http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/play/-/6819641/
a TV piece from Chan 7 yesterday
http://www.facebook.com/l/64996;www.mybirth.com.au/19-02-2010/women-rally-at
Nicola Roxon’s response to collaboration agreements.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/19/2824133.htm
Roxon says: “I’m unapologetically on the record as saying let’s encourage people across the health services spectrum to work together and make sure that women can safely choose options that are good for them and suit them..”
That’s great in theory and obviously something that sounds very reasonable.
The question then has to be asked: So why not restrict doctors work unless they collaborate – they are the ones who make things difficult!
In reality, Roxon’s ‘encouragement’ is only fueling the power imbalances and women are caught in the ‘rip’.
Join the Facebook group to get involved in organising or leave a message of support.
A National Day of Action was held yesterday at 15 different locations Australia wide as women and their families across the country joined together to send Minister Roxon and PM Rudd a clear message – we say NO to your maternity reforms which take away our right to self-determination in health care.
The news laws currently in the Senate will remove a woman’s basic right to make decisions about the type of birth she has, the place of birth and her care provider.
Women have been protesting against this new legislation which puts power in the hands of the medical profession, instead of placing women at the centre of decisions made about their care during pregnancy and birth. The Australian Medical Association has lobbyed the Federal Government hard for changes to this legislation and women say NO – you must place our rights ahead of the Dcotor’s pay packets.

Women will not give up on this issue and our elected MPs must listen to the voices of women in their electorates who believe that while women may seek advice from their doctor ultimately they have the right to make decisions about their bodies and their babies.
LINK TO MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION
Government Response
National Coverage
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Ballarat
Sydney
Gosford
Darwin
Coffs Coast
Cairns
Hobart
The National Day of Action was covered by newspapers, radio and tv stations Australia wide. Thank you for the support and helping inform the Australian public about this important issue.
Kym Kani Provided almost all of the source materials for this article!
Kym Kani gave birth to her fourth child at home unassisted. Her husband wrote up a birth story on her blog, and she also documented what happened during her pregnancy and birth. He was born perfectly after a two hour labor. This youngest son was born at home medically unassisted on September 21st (2008).
Kym and her husband and this youngest son, (11 months old) travelled to Canberra from Melbourne by car in September (7th) of last year (2009).
Kym felt motivated to go protest Medical Tyranny, she said:
“This was my first protest of any kind and this is an issue that I think is of utmost importance. I think the way we enter this world can affect us as a society. I had three babies in hospital and it wasn’t where I needed to be in labour. I don’t remember enjoying much of my older children being newborns and infants. With my youngest, I had a gentle undisturbed labour and amazing birth, I was able to enjoy and relax in those first hours and have a most welcomed babymoon in the first week (even though we were moving house!).”
In describing her Freebirth Kym said:
“The first year was a real joy. I was the first to touch our baby, which was very important to me. My husband was very much involved in the birth (filling the pool and taking photos, then changing J’s nappies for the first 24 hours, being the second person to touch OUR son, no strangers and this is the way I need to bring our children into the world, nothing like what happened in my hospital births) but I birthed him as I did my older children, but this time without interference.”
Kym summed up the changes that have taken place in her heart this way:
“I bonded very well to my little boy and it has really changed the way I look at myself as a parent and as a person.”
Kym has never protested anything before, yet in the past few months she has attended three protests and plans to attend a fourth next week.
“In Canberra, we protested peacefully outside Parliament House. We were mostly ignored by the media and the Government. There were women and their families, men and children as well as midwives. It was a huge crowd.
Next we protested outside Julia Gillard’s office in Werribee (Melbourne). We crowded the footpath and again I felt we were mostly ignored. Most recently we rallied outside the AMA offices in Parkville where there was a fair crowd.
All have been largely ignored peaceful protests with powerful voices (consumer and midwives) and songs bringing us the messages we want everyone to understand. “Dr Andrew Pesce cites his greatest AMA achievement as successfully lobbying Health Minister Nicola Roxon to make amendments to home birth legislation. I feel this translates as a direct attack on a basic human right.”
In a Letter to the editor titled An Attack on Womens Rights:
The author states:
“I AM a university-educated, professional woman who recently exercised her right to give birth at home. I had highly experienced, caring, trained midwives. I had the full energy and full attention of my team. I cannot remember having to ”jostle” for anything or anyone. I never had to wait in a ”chaotic” waiting room.
Dr Andrew Pesce cites his greatest AMA achievement as successfully lobbying Health Minister Nicola Roxon to make amendments to home birth legislation. I feel this translates as a direct attack on a basic human right. Not only have we seen our rights infringed, but we have lost our faith in the power of the human body.”
The Courier Mail Newspaper has been quoting the bogus homebirth study as if it was scripture:
Homebirth ‘more risky’ than hospital delivery
Yet Homebirth groups have not been shy about pushing back against the study:
“The overhaul has outraged homebirth groups, which say the practice will be forced underground, a concern that was also highlighted in a recent Senate inquiry.
The Australian Private Midwives Association and Homebirths Australia also dispute the latest study, saying the findings are hazy, and insist homebirthing is safe.
Association president Liz Wilkes says only one of the homebirth deaths was attributed to factors that were unlikely to have happened in hospital.
“Many of the homebirth deaths occurred in hospital, but we don’t know what was actually attributed to the death so the findings are still out,” she said.
She says the proposed laws won’t stop women from wanting to have a homebirth.
“So they will put women in quite a dramatically unsafe situation because they won’t be able to find a registered midwife to attend them.”
She says doctors are also unlikely to support the practice because of their own insurance concerns.
Homebirth Australia secretary Justine Caines, who has had seven successful homebirths, agrees and said the planned changes are a major erosion of women’s rights.
“Birth is very personal and a decision each woman should have the right to make” she said.
“So the AMA’s responsibility should be to make the practice of homebirth as safe as possible whether they like it or not.”
Less than one per cent of births registered each year in Australia are homebirths.”
Journalist Melissa Sweet took the time to crunch the numbers and reported these facts to the curious:
“If you’ve been half awake in recent days, you might have heard of a new study showing that “babies are seven times more likely to die during home births”.
It’s worth having a close look at what the study actually found (the full article is available here in the Medical Journal of Australia), and also considering some of the broader context that has been sadly lacking from most of the coverage I’ve seen and heard.
Please bear with me — I’m about to hit you with a stack of figures — but it is worth taking the time to examine them in some depth. You may end up with a different impression from what the headlines have been saying.”
Meanwhile, it seems more pertinent than ever to borrow the final words of the study’s authors:
“Although it is not anticipated that large numbers of women will opt for home birth, women’s autonomy in choosing reproductive behaviour is a fundamental human right enshrined in Australian law. Respecting their choices and achieving the best outcome for all concerned is likely to remain a challenge that will require more light and less heat than it has received thus far.”
What we’ve learnt in recent days is that we can’t rely on the media — or medical organisations — to contribute much light to this debate.”
Finally, Kym Reports:
“At the Parkville rally, I was given a breakdown of what the study found. It was only a small number of women involved in the study, it was of planned homebirths and only one baby died at home and it was known as a possibilty as she was considered high risk (baby could have died at hospital too).
If anything, it shows homebirth is much safer and even ideal especially for healthy women and babies. I want freebirth to be a choice. Many women don’t want to birth on their own but rather that than birth in hospital.”
If you would like to stand publicly with the Mothers of Australia, our sisters down under would appreciate some support at the upcoming Protest scheduled this week. Here is an overview of the many Protests that have been planned for this thursday February 18th, 2010.
MY BODY MY BABY MY RIGHT TO DECIDE
*Come and tell Tanya Plibersek (Kevin Rudd), that it is a woman’s right, not his, to decide where, with whom, and how she gives birth.
Here is a list of all of the various protests:
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Thursday, February 18, 2010
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9:45am – 11:00am
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We are planning to meet at Civic Park before 9:45am and walk down to Sharon Grierson’s office which is located at 427 Hunter Street Newcastle NSW 2300
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Thursday, February 18, 2010
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10:00am – 11:00am
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Unit A, Ground Floor, Law Society Building 11 London Circuit Canberra ACT 2601
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Thursday, February 18, 2010
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10:00am – 11:00am
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161a Main North Road NAILSWORTH SA 5083
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Thursday, February 18, 2010
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10:00am – 11:00am
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91 Mann St GOSFORD
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* Ballarat MY BODY MY BABY MY RIGHT TO DECIDE
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Thursday, February 18, 2010
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10:00am – 12:00pm
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Kevin Rudd will be in Ballarat on THURSDAY 18 FEB, in the morning and need people to be in Ballarat by 10am. VENUE to be confirmed soon, everyone will be messaged through facebook with a location ASAP
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Thursday, February 18, 2010
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10:30am – 11:30am
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Outside Senator Trish Crossin’s office 25 Chung Wah Terrace Palmerston NT 0830
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Thursday, February 18, 2010
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10:30am – 11:30am
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Macdonnells Building 102 Grafton Street Cairns Qld 4870
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Thursday, February 18, 2010
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10:30am – 11:30am
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Outside the office of Melissa Parke 62 Wray Avenue Fremantle WA 6160
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Thursday, February 18, 2010
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10:30am – 11:30am
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Outside office of Kerry Rea Where: 69 Clara Street Wynnum Qld 4178
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Thursday, February 18, 2010
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10:30am – 11:30am
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Outside the office of Tanya Plibersek 111-117 Devonshire Street Surry Hills NSW 2010
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