Bob and Lynn Griesemer on my Radio Show this morning

I had a great interview with Unassisted Homebirth Pioneers Bob and Lynn Griesemer

I’m so glad that Bob and Lynn were able to be on the show today.  The full hour interview is embedded in the player below:

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When Faith Endures

by Jenny Hatch

 

Benjamin

I had many contractions during my pregnancy but five days before Ben was born things changed and I had some contractions that came every five minutes that were really hard and opened my cervix enough that I started to pass some mucous plug with lots of bloody show. I was excited and felt happy that after so many years of hoping for another baby, my empty arms would soon be filled.

 

That afternoon my contractions picked up and I thought I was in true labor. Physically they took all of my energy. Emotionally I found that I had a battle on my hands. The battle can be summed up as a type of spiritual warfare. It was not just my battle. My husband Paul also experienced five days of his own fight. For him, the fears swirled around his issues with the powers that be. We had an unassisted birth six years before that resulted in a transfer to the hospital.

 

The most critical post birth complications are Baby not breathing and Mom bleeding. With that birth we had both problems crop up, and decided to call 911 for assistance. I am grateful for the help we had after our birth, and for the learning that resulted from not having things go well. Had everything gone perfectly, we would have missed a great opportunity these past six years, the opportunity to learn more. I did much research on bleeding issues and Paul took an infant CPR class. These efforts comforted us and helped us to feel more prepared this time around.

 

Even with these preparations and our deep religious faith, the five days before Benjamin’s birth was a time of trial. Our faith in natural childbirth and unassisted birth in particular was put to the test.

 

After the birth Paul said he thought those five days were for him, to battle it out in his mind. To determine the type of life we were going to live, and whether or not we would cave to the pressure – mostly internal pressure (but based upon a fearful reality) to conform to society and live a mainstream life. Or if we were going to overcome our fears of being labeled and/or prosecuted as “medical neglecters” by doctors and social workers and live the life we have felt guided to with home birth, home school and what I term “Family Sovereignty” as the ideal for our family.

 

Happily our battle resulted in a perfect outcome on all levels; emotionally, spiritually, and even though I had a difficult time physically – I was much more concerned about the long term affects of this birth on my psyche, my marriage, and my relationships than I was on the short term physical pain.

 

I hope my insights will be helpful to those of you who are preparing for an unassisted birth. We must understand that Laura Shanley is right, and it is our beliefs as mothers that largely affect our birth outcomes. Our husbands and families beliefs also deeply affect us, as well as anyone else we decide to invite into our home to assist us with the labor.

 

Because I can’t control how others feel about birth and only have control over my own mind, I was drawn to unassisted birth as a means of SAFELY welcoming my children without having to deal with other people’s fears. I felt this negativity during my three hospital births, especially from the medical people around me. I studied Quantum Mechanics in college and didn’t understand why these so called scientists hadn’t embraced these same truths in their physics classes. But perhaps their obstetrical educations had deprived them of the truth surrounding belief.

 

If I learned nothing else during my first solo birth, I learned that birth for me was easy, unhindered, and smooth when I was alone. (I called Paul up to help me during Andy’s birth in 1996 only after I had pushed out his head).

 

JennyOn Sunday night, October 20th 2002, my contractions completely stopped and we enjoyed a quiet spiritual evening with our older children. We talked to them about birth and told them stories from their own labors that illustrated the true nature of natural childbirth with its many stops and starts. We sang and prayed together and all went to bed excited, but willing to wait.

 

The next day, I again had a long period of pre-labor that lasted for hours. I passed more mucous plug and felt the contractions really getting strong. It had been a full moon that night and I enjoyed watching the moon go down out of my west facing bedroom window as I contracted in the birth pool during the early morning hours of Monday. I heard the children start to wake up and felt things slow down and then I fell asleep in the water. When I woke up everything had stopped.

 

That day I went about my normal routine but Paul decided to work from home. He ended up working from home all week. This was one of the happiest weeks we have ever had. We decided to let the children take the week off from schoolwork and spent hours playing at the park, walking, and cooking/eating together. On Monday night I walked to my exercise class and as soon as I sat down on my mat, my water broke. It was all over my pants and the mat, and I decided to go home. Once home, I again felt excitement/nervousness that my baby would mostly likely come soon. None of my previous labors had started with the water breaking and so this was new for us.

 

I was surprised how much fluid spilled out of me over the next 72 hours. It was a lightly tinged green color and smelled alive, like a fresh rain on autumn leaves. I noticed that each time I ate, drank, or walked the fluid came out in a gush. I used cloth diapers to catch it and was really surprised that my body could leak so much without going into labor. I mourned the loss of my water birth. With the membranes ruptured and water leaking all over the place I knew it would not be wise to get into the pool. I really focused on staying well hydrated, nourished, upbeat, and rested. I also asked my doula to come give me a few massages and bring me wheat grass juice. I used the juice to help keep my blood clean, hematocrit up, and to nourish the baby.

 

My daughters gave me a raindrop therapy each of those three days. (If you want to order the raindrop therapy kit go to Young Living and use my member number 29526 to get this fabulous aromatherapy kit!) This is an essential oil treatment that is an overall boost to the body. I did it to help prevent infection and to give me energy. We made the decision not to tell anyone that my water had broken. We told the kids, but asked them not to share the news, and they didn’t.

 

I had a few contractions but nothing regular for the three days my water was broken and that was a blessing as the uterine activity of Sunday had really tired me out. I took lots of naps and spent most of my emotional energy working on my thoughts, keeping them pure. It was very powerful for me to run the lyrics to some of my favorite songs through my mind. I will share the words from one of these songs. The music helped me to stay focused on my child and not get lost in fear, the greatest of which was the fear of a prolapsed cord.

 

Paper Dream – Reprise 2 (From the musical Saturday’s Warrior)

 

 

I take some paper in my hand, and with a pencil draw a man,
The dream of what I’d really, really like to be.
A man with courage in his brow, whose licked his doubts and fears somehow,
A Warrior of great nobility.
But who am I? Just a wandering kid, a cipher on the wall,
Not even brave at all.
And where’s my dream like his that I would fight for?
And where’s my cause like his that I would die for?
But still the paper’s in my hand and every day I sketch the man,
The dream of what I’d really like to be.
A man with courage in his brow, whose licked his doubts and fears somehow.
A Warrior of great nobility.
A brave and noble fiery youth, who’s not afraid to die for truth
Whose tall and straight but best of all he’s free,
He’s free.

 

 

I ran the words to this song through my mind a hundred times over those three days, and each time they gave me strength and courage. I also sang hymns, quoted myself scripture and belief suggestions and realized that during this time it was crucial that I stay mindful of my thoughts every waking moment. Each time the fear would come into my heart; fear of infection, fear that I would never go into labor, fear of prolapsed cord, and fear of someone learning that my water had broken and might try to convince me or force me to be induced, I would just switch the negative thoughts to positive and run the words through my mind, usually the words to the above quoted song. A few times I went down to my piano and played the music of this song, and each time I started to cry as I thought of my warrior son who was soon to be born. It was a comfort to me to cook and clean and stay focused on my housework as a way to distract myself from the reality of the situation (two full weeks overdue and water broken). The day before I went into labor I found myself cleaning under my stove and scrubbing it all over. I thought about deep cleaning my oven, but I decided to save that task for another day.

 

The day I went into labor was just a normal day. I went for a walk, had a massage, tended my nephew and cooked and cleaned. We took a few pictures and my visiting teachers stopped by. About 5PM I came downstairs to make a milk shake with calcium/magnesium and minerals and then I decided to check my emails. I was writing to my friend Veronika Robinson when contractions really picked up. As I typed out my email to her, I told her I thought I might be going into real labor, and once finished I headed upstairs to my bed. I laid down in a semi reclining position with lots of pillows supporting my back, my arms and legs. I contracted for two hours with little noise, but as things picked up in intensity, I started to vocalize loudly. As the contraction would start I would start a low moan that gradually became a loud AHHHHHHHHH! This very effectively moved all of the energy in my uterus up out of my body through my mouth and made it so I was able to handle the first five hours of this six hour labor very effectively on my own.

 

Paul and the children were in and out of the room a few times asking me if I thought this was really it, I was in my own space and was rather vague about my progression. Paul did bring me a couple of hot, wet cloth diapers to place on my bottom and I used my oils; Gentle baby, Valor, Panaway, and Myrrh to help my body stretch and prepare.

 

At one point I was all alone as Paul had fallen asleep in the children’s room on the floor while reading them stories, and one by one they also fell asleep. I used the toilet a few times to keep my bladder empty but always returned to my position on my back on the bed. At one point I sang the song “When you Believe” from The Prince of Egypt out loud. I had chosen this song to be the theme song of the Unassisted Childbirth movement back in 1998. The words are perfect, powerful and were a great strength to me as I approached transition. I was battling a fear that one of the reasons I bled so badly with my last birth was because I had squatted during pushing, and so I was determined to push the baby out on my bed in the semi reclining position. I continued to gush amniotic fluid during the labor and focused on staying well hydrated with a water bottle by my side.

 

During transition, which only lasted a few minutes, the contractions were one on top of the other and I was VERY loud with my vocalizing. Paul woke up during this time and came in and asked me how things were going. He wanted to know if he could do anything to help and I asked him to sing me hymns. So he sat down on my rocking chair and pulled out the hymnbook and started singing. He sang for the first hour of my pushing. I cannot emphasize enough how powerful an activity this was. It had the combined effect of inviting the spirit of the Lord into our home and calming my spirit. Paul sang “When Faith Endures,” which was the hymn that I had chosen to be the theme of our 2001 Unassisted Childbirth conference….

 

 

I will not doubt, I will not fear. God’s love and strength are always near.
His promised gift helps me to find, an inner strength and peace of mind.
I give the father willingly, my trust, my prayers, humility.
His spirit guides, his love assures that fear departs when faith endures.

 

 

I was starting to get tired after an hour of pushing on the bed and I prayed and asked God which position would be best for me to effectively push the baby out. I felt that I should stand and squat during my contractions. In prayer I expressed my fear of bleeding and I felt a calm assurance that I would not bleed too much. So I stood up. As the next contraction came on I squatted down deeply by my bed and pushed! I felt the baby inch slowly down with each push. In between contractions I sat on my birthing ball and rested. As his head moved down, I felt an increasing pain in my back, hips and pelvis. I have had three painless vaginal births and so this was new for me. I have determined that the difference was pushing with the water bag intact compared to not having much water gushing along with that fifteen inch head. It was like birthing a brick. As his head worked its way down I felt so much pain I wondered if I could do it. Never did I even consider going to the hospital or using drugs, but I did have a few moments of self doubt, wondering how big the baby was, and what if it was breech or posterior? I continued to have the fear of a prolapsed cord and as this fear worked in me, I just felt determined to get my child born.

 

I pushed with everything I had using the Bradley technique of breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out and then deep breath in…put chin on chest, hold breath and PUSH!! It was very effective combined with the full squat. During the last few contractions I felt this heat overtake my body and sweat was just pouring off me. I asked Paul to turn on the ceiling fan and then he poured water all over my head and back. I told him to put some Panaway on my back and he tossed about 30 drops of it all over my back and hips. Then he rubbed my lower back during the contractions in a very effective counter pressure. It didn’t take the pain away but it did make it possible for me to do it. On the third to last contraction I felt Ben’s head all of a sudden move in a big way through the birth canal and I reached down and felt his head crowning. I was concerned about tearing, and thought about asking for a hot compress, but decided I wanted Paul behind me ready to catch rather than in the bathroom getting me a cloth. Paul pulled out the bulb syringe and prepared himself.

 

With the second to last contraction I pushed out his head, and then with the final one out came his body. These contractions were closer together and he was born quickly from the time he crowned. Paul sucked out his nose and mouth before he was completely born and then caught him. As he passed Ben to me through my legs I turned to look at him and saw him leaping for joy. I have heard of many men fainting in the delivery room, or having a fear of fainting while their wives give birth, but I have never heard of a father jumping for JOY when the baby is safely born. Paul did and it is my favorite memory of the birth.

 

Jenny and Benjamin seconds after the birth

 

 

I passed the placenta within fifteen minutes with a large plop, and then bled a little. We used prayer and blessings during this time to help with my pain and various post birth symptoms. The children started to wake up, and one by one they came into our bedroom. We took many pictures and had a joyful three hours bonding with our 9 and ½ pound boy. Then the children all went back to bed and Paul and I fell asleep on our bed with Benjamin nestled on his chest.

 

After our wedding day, this day was the happiest, most fulfilling day of our life!

 

 

 

Paul and Ben
Paul and Ben
 

The Hatch Family
The Hatch Family

Portrait of Benjamin by Susana Fierro-Baig.

 

 

More than you ever wanted to know about Squalene

Go here to read this article…

WARNING: SWINE FLU VACCINE CONTAINS POISONOUS SQUALENE OIL

“Instead of mass murdering quickly and compassionately, putting squalene in today’s swine flu vaccines assures populations will suffer chronically and painfully for life, assuming people survive the viral recombinants in the vaccine.”

Leonard G. Horowitz, DMD, MA, MPH. DNM, DMM
Award winning author and public health expert

Baxter Vaccine Patent Application

Free Republic Thread on this Post

Edda West’s excellent review of Squalene adjuvants posted on VacLib.org.

A Glimpse into the Scary World of Vaccine Adjuvants

The article below was originally published in the Winter, 2005 edition of the “VRAN Newsletter” (contact information appears at the end of this excellent analysis of vaccine adjuvants). The editors of PandemicFluOnline have placed a high priority on bringing ourselves and our readers up to speed with “the scary world of vaccine adjuvants” because we know that the swine flu vaccine currently in production will contain them. Both government and industry have yet to disclose the ingredients of the new (experimental) vaccine and even indicated that the pandemic swine flu shot will not be “adjuvanted,” according to Dr. Anthony Fauci in an MSNBC interview July 30, 2009. However, the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services has spent $700 million in contracts to Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) to supply “bulk oil-in-water adjuvant” for the 600 million doses of the swine flu vaccine in production and earmarked for every man, woman and child in America. Contracts are awarded to companies with a track record of producing a licensed product already on the market and Novartis produces a squalene-based adjuvant (MF59) and GSK produces squalene-based adjuvants ASO3 and ASO4. As you are about to see, all adjuvants come with the risk of causing both acute and chronic adverse effects. ~PandemicFluOnline

By Edda West

Adjuvants are formulated compounds, which when combined with vaccine antigens intensify the body’s immune response. They are used to elicit an early, high and long-lasting immune response. “The chemical nature of adjuvants, their mode of action and their reactions (side effect) are highly variable in terms of how they affect the immune system and how serious their adverse effects are due to the resultant hyperactivation of the immune system. While adjuvants enable the use of less *antigen to achieve the desired immune response and reduce vaccine production costs, with few exceptions, adjuvants are foreign to the body and cause adverse reactions”, writes Australian scientist Viera Scheibner Ph.D, (1)

The most common adjuvant for human use is an aluminum salt called alum derived from aluminum hydroxide, or aluminum phosphate. A quick read of the scientific literature reveals that the neurotoxic effects of aluminum were recognized 100 years ago. Aluminum is a neurotoxicant and has been linked to Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological disorders. Prior to 1980, kidney patients undergoing long term dialysis treatments often suffered dialysis encephalopathy syndrome, the result of acute intoxication by the use of an aluminium-containing dialysate. This is now avoided using modern techniques of water purification. In preterm infants, prolonged intravenous feeding with solutions containing aluminum is associated with impaired neurologic development. Scientists speculate that aluminum neurotoxicity may be related to cell damage via free radical production, impairment of glucose metabolism, and effects on nerve signal transduction. (2) Vaccines which contain both aluminum adjuvants and mercury based preservative, greatly magnify the neurotoxic effects. (3)

Macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF) is a muscle disease first identified in 1993, and has been linked to vaccines containing aluminum adjuvants. Muscle pain is the most frequent symptom which can be localized to the limbs or be more diffuse. Other symptoms include joint pain, muscle weakness, fatigue, fever, and muscle tenderness. The disorder is associated with an altered immune system in some, but not all patients. A study published in the journal Brain (2001) revealed that 50 out of 50 patients had received vaccines against hepatitis B virus (86%), hepatitis A virus (19%) or tetanus toxoid (58%), 3-96 months (median 36 months) before biopsy. “We conclude that the MMF lesion is secondary to intramuscular injection of aluminium hydroxide-containing vaccines, shows both long-term persistence of aluminium hydroxide and an ongoing local immune reaction, and is detected in patients with systemic symptoms which appeared subsequently to vaccination”, write the authors of the study. (4)

But aluminum’s neurotoxicity is of less concern to the vaccine industry than the fact that it elicits a lesser antibody response to the so called purer recombinant or synthetic antigens used in modern day vaccines than in older style live or killed whole organism vaccines. “This has created a major need for improved and more powerful adjuvants for use in these vaccines.” (5)

For decades, vaccine developers have been tinkering with various substances to trick the body into heightened immune responses. The most effective adjuvants are formulated with oils but have long been considered too reactive for use in humans. Immunologists have known for decades that a microscopic dose of even a few molecules of adjuvant injected into the body can cause disturbances in the immune system and have known since the1930’s that oil based adjuvants are particularly dangerous, which is why their use has been restricted to experiments with animals.

The classic oil based adjuvant called Freund’s Complete Adjuvant can cause permanent organ damage and irreversible disease – specifically autoimmune diseases. When scientists want to induce autoimmune disease in a lab animal, they inject it with Freund’s Complete Adjuvant, which causes great suffering and is considered by some too inhumane to even inject into animals.

Dr. Jules Freund creator of this oil based adjuvant warned in 1956 that animals injected with his formulation developed terrible, incurable conditions: allergic aspermatogenesis (stoppage of sperm production), experimental allergic encephalomyelitis (the animal version of MS), allergic neuritis (inflammation of the nerves that can lead to paralysis) and other severe autoimmune disorders. (6)

Adjuvants can break “tolerance”, meaning they can disable the immune system to the degree that it loses its ability to distinguish what is “self” from what is foreign. Normally, the immune system ignores the constituents of one’s own body. Immunologists call this “tolerance”. But if something happens to break “tolerance”, then the immune system turns relentlessly self-destructive, attacking the body it is supposed to defend. (6)

Scientists theorize that oil based adjuvants have the ability to “hyperactivate” the immune system, and in doing so, create chaos by inducing such an extremely powerful response that the immune system literally goes haywire and starts attacking elements it would normally ignore. (6)

Another theory has to do with “specificity”. One of the great distinguishing characteristics of the immune system is something akin to a highly sensitive innate intelligence that has evolved over eons to be able to respond very precisely to what it deems to be a threat to the body. Because the body contains many types of oily molecules and lipids, it may be that when an oil is injected, the immune system responds to it not only specifically, but with heightened intensity because the oil adjuvant resembles so closely the natural oils found in the body. A “cross reaction” then happens, sending the immune system into chaos destroying any oils found anywhere in the body that resemble the adjuvant oil. Demyelinating diseases like multiple sclerosis are an example of this destructive autoimmune process. (6)

To deepen one’s understanding of the shadowy world of vaccine development, award winning investigative journalist Gary Matsumoto’s new book is a “must read.” It documents the secret human medical experimentation conducted on American citizens by doctors and scientists working for the U.S. military. It is a book about “betrayal of the most fundamental rules of medical ethics; and betrayal of the basic duty of military and civilian leaders to protect the people they govern.” Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That’s Killing our Soldiers and Why GI’s are Only the First Victims, is a gripping read into the mad science world of the U.S. military’s biowarfare vaccine development program which, since 1987 has injected tens of thousands of U.S. troops with an experimental unlicensed anthrax vaccine containing squalene. An oil based adjuvant, squalene has been known for decades to cause severe autoimmune diseases in laboratory animals. Writes Matsumoto, “The unethical experiments detailed in this book are ongoing, with little prospect of being self-limiting because they have been shielded from scrutiny and public accountability by national security concerns.” Reading this book, one gets a permanent chill in the spine as we glimpse the “writing on the wall” of what is to come. (6,7)

(I have to insert a comment here in regards to what Alex Jones and Rima and General S. are saying.  I have participated on the internet for over ten years.  The same sorts of tactics described have been used against birth activists on all of the web sites and chat rooms I have participated on.  My particular message of Family Sovereignty and Health Freedom for Mothers has been particularly attacked.  Everything they described in this movie has happened over and over and over again as I have written posts, articles, and made comments about Family Freedom.  Now I am to the point where I can spot a Big Pharma Whore a mile away once they show up in a chat room where I am participating.  I have to thank them though.  I never would have started this blog had I not been so completely shut down on the Mothering Boards where I was daily writing about political freedom.  Thanks guys – you paid chemical trollschange agents are the worst people on the web, but we’re on to your tactics!)

“When UCLA Medical School’s Michael Whitehouse and Frances Beck injected squalene combined with other materials into rats and guinea pigs back in the 1970’s, few oils were more effective at causing the animal versions of arthritis and multiple sclerosis”, writes Matsumoto. In 1999, Dr. Johnny Lorentzen, an immunologist at Sweden’s Karolinska Institute proved that on injection, “otherwise benign molecules like squalene can stimulate a self-destructive immune response”, even though they occur naturally in the body. Other research institutes have also shown that the immune system makes antibodies to squalene, but only after it is injected (6) We now know that squalene, added to boost immune response in a formulation known as MF59, is the secret ingredient in certain lots of experimental anthrax vaccine that has caused devastating autoimmune diseases and death in countless Gulf War vets (Canadian, British and Australian troops were also injected with squalene laced vaccine), and continues to be used today. There is a “close match between the squalene-induced diseases in animals and those observed in humans injected with this oil: rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus erythematosus”, writes Matsumoto. These three illnesses have been proven to be caused by this oil, but there is an additional long list of autoimmune diseases associated with squalene injection into humans. (6) “There are now data in more than two dozen peer-reviewed scientific papers, from ten different laboratories in the U.S., Europe, Asia and Australia, documenting that squalene-based adjuvants can induce autoimmune diseases in animals..observed in mice, rats, guinea pigs and rabbits. Sweden’s Karolinska Institute has demonstrated that squalene alone can induce the animal version of rheumatoid arthritis. The Polish Academy of Sciences has shown that in animals, squalene alone can produce catastrophic injury to the nervous system and the brain. The University of Florida Medical School has shown that in animals, squalene alone can induce production of antibodies specifically associated with systemic lupus erythematosus”, writes Matsumoto. (6)

Long List of Side Effects Referring to squalene in her extensive article on adjuvants, Dr. Scheibner writes, “This adjuvant contributed to the cascade of reactions called “Gulf War syndrome”, documented in the soldiers involved in the Gulf War. The symptoms they developed included arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis) also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease, Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers. (1)

Matsumoto punctuates his book with poignant interviews of military personnel who suffered many of these extreme and devastating syndromes, all of whom tested positive for anti-squalene antibodies which has become THE definitive marker for people who have been injected with this adjuvant and who have gone on to develop catastrophic diseases.

Immunologist, Dr. Pamela Asa was the first person to recognize that the autoimmune diseases she was seeing in military personnel mirrored those in experimental animals injected with oil formulated adjuvants. When she met a patient with similar autoimmune symptoms who had participated in an experimental herpes vaccine trial, who also knew he had been injected with MF59, a squalene adjuvant being used as a ‘placebo’ in that study, everything began to fall into place. Pam Asa contacted Dr. Robert Garry, a leading virologist at Tulane University Medical School, whose specialty is developing antibody tests and asked him to develop a test for the detection of anti-squalene antibodies – a test that ultimately became the most important forensic and diagnostic tool identifying patients whose autoimmune diseases followed injection with squalene laced anthrax vaccine. (6)

Juxtaposed to heart wrenching testimonies of shattered health and ruined lives is the military’s defiant stonewall and denial that a squalene laced anthrax vaccine was injected into thousands of its people without their informed consent – this despite the fact that the FDA and independent researchers have tested and identified varying amounts of squalene in specific lots of the vaccine.

Even more stunning is the fact that by 1997, hundreds of millions of dollars had already been spent testing vaccines formulated with squalene adjuvants by leading research institutes like NIH (National Institutes of Health) who tested its efficacy in HIV vaccines, the National Cancer Institute who for nearly two decades conducted research with squalene-boosted vaccines, and the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) had been testing it in animals since 1988 and began human clinical trials in1991. Nineteen of NIAID’s 23 trials were for prototype HIV vaccines. Writes Matsumoto, ” Squalene adjuvants are a key ingredient in a whole new generation of vaccines intended for mass immunization around the globe.” (6)

Immune System Sees Squalene as an Enemy to Attack Researchers at Tulane Medical School and the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research “have both proven that the immune system responds specifically to the squalene molecule. Squalene’s pathway through the body has been tracked with a radioactive tracer in animals by none other than Chiron, (well known flu vaccine manufacturer) and maker of MF59, the squalene-based adjuvant, now also a component of FLUAD, an Italian influenza vaccine. (6)

The immune system does in fact “see” squalene and recognizes it as an oil molecule native to the body. The key is “route of administration”. As Gary Matsumoto says, “Squalene is not just a molecule found in a knee or elbow – it is found throughout the nervous system and the brain.” When it is injected into the body, the immune system sees it as an enemy to be attacked and eliminated.(6)

As any immunologist will tell you, the way an antigen encounters the immune system makes all the difference. You can eat squalene – no problem as it is an oil the body can easily digest. But studies in animals and humans show that injecting squalene will “galvanize the immune system into attacking it, which can produce a self-destructive cross reaction against the same molecule in the places where it occurs naturally in the body – and where it is critical to the health of the nervous system.” (6)

This phenomenon is also known as ‘molecular mimicry’, where the immune system forms antibodies against one of its own structures and will continue to attack the ‘self’ molecule in the body that resembles the one in the germ, or as is the case with squalene, an identical substance that is naturally present in the body. Once this self-destructive process begins, it never stops as the body continues to make the molecule the immune system is now trained to attack.

Another example involving autoimmune ‘molecular mimicry’ is when the immune system has been sensitized to attack myelin, the insulating fatty coating around nerve fibres which insures the smooth relay of nerve signals. The body would continue to make myelin in order to replenish and repair the protective sheath around its nerve endings. But says Matsumoto, “In the act of doing so, the body immunizes itself against itself, administering over and over again what amounts to a booster dose of something that the immune system now wants to get rid of. This vital constituent (myelin) is now the enemy, and the immune system is now programmed to obliterate it in an endless loop of self-destruction” – the process involved in MS (multiple sclerosis), and ALS (Lou Gehrig’s disease).(6)

Tying molecular mimicry to the autism epidemic, many children have regressed into autism spectrum disorders after injection with the triple live virus MMR (measles,mumps,rubella) vaccine. Dr.Vijendra Singh’s research at Utah State University suggests that auto-antibodies are attacking myelin in these children. He has shown that many autistic children have auto-antibodies to brain myelin basic protein (MBP) as well as elevated levels of measles virus antibodies. “Immunoblotting analysis showed the presence of an unusual MMR antibody in 60% (75 of 125) of autistic children, but none of the 92 normal children had this antibody. In addition, there was a positive correlation (greater than 90%) between MMR antibody and MBP auto-antibody, suggesting a causal association between MMR and brain autoimmunity in autism. This is one of the most important findings in autism to date, which prompted us to link measles virus in the etiology of the disorder”, writes Dr. Singh. (8,9,10)

Immunologist Dr. Bonnie Dunbar has also done extensive research on the mechanisms of injury inflicted by hepatitis B vaccine and has observed similar autoimmune processes involving molecular mimicry in people who developed devastating neuroimmune syndromes after injection with this vaccine. (11)

Molecular Mimicry as a Bio-Weapon Matsumoto reports that Soviet bioweaponeers used the principal of molecular mimicry in the 1980’s to engineer a ‘designer disease’ that would attack myelin. By splicing a fragment of myelin basic protein into legionella bacterium, they created what amounted to a living “nano-bomb”, which they injected into guinea pigs. What they found was that the immune system quickly cleared the legionella bacterium, but the myelin molecule, smuggled in by this microbial “Trojan horse” initiated a second wave of disease which caused experimental allergic encephalomyelitis, the animal version of MS. The Soviets recognized this creation for what it was – a biological time bomb!! (6)

“Squalene is a kind of trigger for the real biological weapon: the immune system. When the immune system’s full repertoire of cells and antibodies start attacking the tissues they are supposed to protect, the results can be catastrophic,” writes Matsumoto. His assessment is seconded by Dr. Pam Asa – “Oil adjuvants are the most insidious chemical weapon ever devised.” (6)

“Molecular mimicry, seen for its diabolical potential as a weapon by the Soviets as far back as the 1980’s, also applies to squalene. But the real problem with using squalene, of course, is not that it mimics a molecule found in the body; it is the same molecule,” writes Matsumoto. “So what American scientists conceived as a vaccine booster was another “nano-bomb”, instigating chronic, unpredictable and debilitating disease. When the NIH (National Institutes of Health) argued that squalene would be safe because it is native to the body, just the opposite was true. Squalene’s natural presence in the body made it one of the most dangerous molecules ever injected into man!” (6)

The main proponents for the use of squalene in vaccines have been the U.S Department of Defense and the NIH. The anti-squalene antibodies in sick American and British military personnel are evidence that military experimentation has caused an unprecedented health catastrophe in tens of thousands of people onto whom the vaccine was forced and who were denied the right to make an informed decision based on existing scientific knowledge of the dangers of injecting squalene. “By adding squalene to their new anthrax vaccine, they did not make a better vaccine, they made a biological weapon.” (6) .

Why , one would obviously ask, would anyone knowingly inject such a dangerous substance into humans? Certainly in terms of the U.S. military’s decision, they chose to turn a blind eye to the existing science, which for decades had documented the immune destructive properties of squalene. They justified its use because they knew they had a weak and ineffective vaccine which needed a serious boost. In the face of weaponized biowarfare agents like anthrax already developed by Russia and fear that it was also possessed by Iraq, they were desperate to increase the vaccine’s effectiveness as they launched into the first Gulf War. Additionally, explains Matsumoto, “scientists in the United States are now literally invested in squalene. Army scientists who developed the second generation anthrax vaccine have reputations to protect and licensing fees to reap for the army..[and] .worldwide rights to develop and commercialize the new recombinant vaccine for anthrax.” (6)

He goes on to explain, “the National Institutes of Health (NIH) has been supporting both animal and human research with squalene since the 1980’s. Squalene has become perhaps the most ubiquitous oil adjuvant on the planet, which is something that should concern everyone. Many of the cutting edge vaccines currently in development by the NIH and its corporate partners contain squalene in one formulation or another. There is squalene in the prototype recombinant vaccines for HIV, malaria, herpes, influenza, cytomegalovirus and human papillomavirus. Some of these prototypes like HIV, malaria and influenza are intended for mass immunization around the globe.” (6)

Squalene Adjuvants Enter the Global Market FLUAD, the squalene boosted flu vaccine has been licensed in Italy since 1997. It contains MF59, the squalene adjuvant made by Chiron. Although all the published papers co-authored by Chiron-employed scientists and Italian researchers have reported MF59 to be safe, Gary Matsumoto suggests a flaw in study designs may “prevent researchers from seeing the vaccine’s real risks.” Testing of FLUAD was limited to elderly people in nursing homes – average age was 71.5 which would tend to obscure autoimmune problems that might arise for a number of reasons. If autoimmune symptoms like joint pain and fatigue did occur in geriatric Italians, doctors might not connect these complaints to anything but old age. (6)

“Autoimmunity is notorious for taking years to diagnose because the early symptoms (e.g. headaches, joint and muscle pain and fatigue) are so vague; primary care physicians often fail to recognize it…a large Phase lV trial did not even bother to analyze the “common-post immunization reactions” in study participants, recording only those adverse events severe enough to require a doctor’s visit within 7 days of immunization.” In another study patients were observed for 180 days, but only serious events like “admission to hospital or death” qualified as a reaction – nothing else was recorded. Symptoms of adverse reactions listed in the FLUAD package insert are almost identical to the Air Force case-definition for Gulf War Syndrome, and include rashes, malaise, fever, myalgia, arthralgia, weakness, sweating and various autoimmune reactions and neurologic disturbances. (6)

“The question is whether scientists working for pharmaceutical companies are intentionally designing studies so as to miss adverse reactions that inconvenience their marketing strategy?” asks Matsumoto. “Chiron’s conclusion about squalene’s safety are at odds with recent data from studies in both animals and humans.” (6)

Just in from the newslists on February 9, 2005 is an item informing of the European “debut” of a new adjuvant approved for use in a new high-potency hepatitis B vaccine. Fendrix, the new enhanced hepB vaccine is being launched by pharma giant GlaxoSmithKline for use in people with poor immune responses (like dialysis patients) and those at high risk for developing hepatitis B. It is formulated with a new adjuvant that can “significantly improve the effectiveness of immunizations.” AS04, the ‘proprietary’ adjuvant based on MPL, originally developed by U.S. company Corixa, “increases the immune potency of the new vaccine, allowing two dose administration rather than three. It has been shown clinically to be more effective than alum, the most widely used adjuvant in vaccines.” (12)

So what exactly is this new high potency adjuvant? We’re told by the press release that MPL (AS04), is a “derivative of the lipid A molecule found in Gram-negative bacteria, is extracted from bacterial cell walls and is one of the most potent regulators of the immune response, used by the body to alert itself to bacterial infections.”(12) Full name of the lipid is monophosphoryl lipid A (MPL)

This news should put everyone on high alert because guess what? Lipids are oils/fatty acids and according to Matsumoto, MPL is identified in declassified documents as one of two squalene emulsions used in the Army’s new “recombinant protective antigen anthrax vaccine (rPA) which the FDA, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Department of Defense fast-tracked into clinical trials in1998. The other squalene adjuvant they used was Chiron’s MF59. (6)

It appears that Fendrix is only the first of a whole new generation of “enhanced potency” vaccines coming down the pipeline using the new high potency lipid adjuvant, MPL. “The adjuvant is also being used in a number of GSK’s developmental vaccines, including one that could be the first effective vaccine for malaria”, says the article. MPL (AS04) adjuvant is also a component of GSK Bio’s genital herpes vaccine, as well as a component in their cervical cancer vaccine and a new tuberculosis vaccine.” (12)

In the unraveling of the squalene story, we find that a squalene emulsion first known as Triple Mix (based on Freund’s adjuvant) was later given the commercial name “Ribi”. Triple Mix (renamed Ribi) was tested by Dutch scientists on rabbits who found it caused “severe effects.the largest number and most severe lesions when compared with the other adjuvants.”(6) Then in June 1999, Ribi ImmunoChem its manufacturer was acquired by Corixa Corporation for $56.3 million, who presumably also own the Ribi formulation. Whether MPL(AS04) is a formula related to Ribi is undoubtedly “proprietary” information, but from Matsumoto’s reseasrch, we know they are all squalene based. And it doesn’t end there. MPL, Corixa’s multi-million dollar baby, is slated for inclusion not only in the “enhanced potency” vaccines already mentioned, but will also be a strategic component of new allergy and autoimmune vaccines in development. (13)

From their inception, mass vaccinations have acted as a biological weapon, undermining health, manipulating and crippling the immune system, and instigating cycles of new and debilitating diseases. Monopoly medicine’s solution? Inject us with more powerful, genetically engineered high potency vaccines. Never mind they are seeding us with “nano-bombs” that will further attack our already compromised immune systems.

The concept of stimulating a hyperactive immune response by using oil-based adjuvants has clearly backfired since we now know that the stronger the antigenic response, the more damaging the adjuvant itself is to the normal functioning of the brain and nervous system. The precedent for mass medical experimentation via an ever increasing recommended vaccine schedule has been set. We can now predict the grim future of mankind: an epidemic of neurological disorders and autoimmune diseases never before imagined.

Edda West is the founder and director of the Vaccine Risk Awareness Network (VRAN) in Canada. To find out more about VRAN, visit the website at http://www.vran.org

Notes & Resources
Adjuvants listed by Scheibner: “Today the most common adjuvants for human use are aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate and calcium phosphate. However, there are a number of other adjuvants based on oil emulsions, products from bacteria (their synthetic derivatives as well as liposomes) or gram-negative bacteria, endotoxins, cholesterol, fatty acids, aliphatic amines, paraffinic and vegetable oils. Recently, monophosphoryl lipid A, ISCOMs with Quil-A, and Syntex adjuvant formulations (SAFs) containing the threonyl derivative or muramyl dipeptide have been under consideration for use in human vaccines

*Definition of Antigen (Scheibner): “Micro-organisms, either bacteria or viruses, thought to be causing certain infectious diseases and which the vaccine is supposed to prevent. These are whole-cell proteins or just the broken-cell protein envelopes, and are called antigens”

1.Viera Scheibner, Ph.D, The Adverse Effects of Adjuvants in Vaccines, Nexus Magazine Dec. 2000 vol.8, No.1
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/adjuvants.html
2. Aluminum Toxicity notes from Dr. Boyd Haley Toxic Test Foundation website: http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/aluminumvaccines.htm
3. Boyd E. Haley, Professor of Chemistry: Thimerosal Containing Vaccines and Neurodevelopment Outcomes: http://64.41.99.118/vran/vaccines/mercury/mer_haley.htm
4. Brain, Vol. 124, No. 9, 1821-1831, September 2001, 2001 Oxford University Press http://brain.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/124/9/1821
5 Vaccine Adjuvants: current state and future trends, Volume 82: Issue Immunology and Cell Biology http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/abstract.asp ?ref=0818-9641&vid=82&iid=5&aid=5&s=&site=1
6.Gary Matsumoto, Vaccine A-The Covert Government Experiment That’s Killing our Soldiers and Why GI’s are Only the First Victims
7.Gary Matsumoto Press Release and biography: http://www.vaccine-a.com
8 Vijendra K Singh, Ph.D, Abnormal Measles Serology and Autoimmunity in Autistic Children – Journal of Allergy & Clinical Immunol, 109 (1): S232, January 2002
9. Vijendra Singh – lecture at ATEDM Conference: http://iquebec.ifrance.com/autismemtl/2002/program_en.html
10. Institute of Medicine Meeting (IOM) on Vaccines and Autism, February 9, 2004
11.. Bonnie Dunbar, Ph.D – articles and research proposal – VRAN website: http://64.41.99.118/vran/vaccines/hepatitis/dunbar_research.htm
12..New adjuvant debuts in new hep B vaccine , February 9, 2005, In-Pharma Technologist.com http://www.in-pharmatechnologist.com/news/news-ng.asp ?n=57959-new-adjuvant-debuts
13. Corixa weblink to MPL press release on allergy & autoimmune applications: http://www.corixa.com/default.asp?pid=auto_capsule&id=22

Chat at Free Republic – that I just cut and pasted (Because I want to be certain it survives!)

To: Jenny Hatch

I especially cracked up at the several paragraphs trying to tell me that Alum will kill me. Didn’t you ever eat a pickle?

Watch out for the dihydrogen monoxide. That stuff can be very deadly. They use it as an industrial solvent, you know.

More anti vaccine nut-job balony.

This stuff is a real pantload.

4 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 9:21:59 PM by Nik Naym (I remember when the United States was a free country. I feel old.)

To: Jenny Hatch

Oh Burother!

I suppose you are also against kids getting vaccinated against measles.

There have been fewer cases of adverse affects from the vaccinations than paragraphs in your posts.

5 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 9:23:35 PM by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)

To: Nik Naym

Don’t forget dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO). Get that in your lungs and it is OVER:

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

6 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 9:26:44 PM by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)

To: Jenny Hatch

Rub your finger along side your nose. What you have on your finger is squalene, a natural oil found in the human body.

7 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 9:28:29 PM by irishtenor (Beer. God’s way of making sure the Irish don’t take over the world.)

To: freedumb2003

Re-read what I wrote. I didn’t forget it.

8 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 9:30:46 PM by Nik Naym (I remember when the United States was a free country. I feel old.)

To: Nik Naym

LOL!!!!

9 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 9:34:06 PM by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)

To: freedumb2003

I guess you dumba**es missed the paragraph about big pharma trolls dumping and spewing all over natural healing posts.

How much is Baxter paying these days? Ten thousand a week to hang at Free Republic and dump all over anyone and anything that could hurt the vaccine agendas?

The blood money you are getting will never cover the guilt and shame you will feel when you realize what has been done to innocents all over the world these past few weeks.

10 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 9:41:41 PM by Jenny Hatch (Mormon Mommy Blogger)

To: Jenny Hatch

BWAA HAA HAAA!!!!

Now I am a dumb-ass. I am honored!

I want to go out and get one of those natural healing posts. Pound it into the ground in my back yard.

Go lean on it every time I get sick.

If I am REALLY sick I can go out and spew on it!

11 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 9:50:08 PM by Nik Naym (I remember when the United States was a free country. I feel old.)

To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; …

Ping…

12 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 9:53:46 PM by Smokin’ Joe (How often God must weep at humans’ folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)

To: Jenny Hatch
My understanding is that there is NO SQUALENE or other adjuvant in ANY of the current US vaccines. Do you have evidence to the contrary?
13 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:00:48 PM by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)

To: Jenny Hatch

H1N1 vaccines, that is.

14 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:01:21 PM by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)

To: Jenny Hatch
I guess you dumba**es missed the paragraph about big pharmaDoes big pharma grow corn or soybeans? Is it organic?

dumping and spewing all over natural healing posts.

Dumping and spewing what? Hopefully it is not toxic waste of any kind. At a minimum I would hope it is not as annoying and potentially dangerous as your post.

How much is Baxter paying these days? Ten thousand a week to hang at Free Republic and dump all over anyone and anything that could hurt the vaccine agendas?

Where can I sign up for that deal? Not only would it be fun and easy – kind of like shooting fish in a barrel – but it would likely save some peoples lives. Especially if they were drinking an anti-vaccine kool-aide.

Make fun of people who have absolutely no concept of the number of lives that have been saved by vaccincations? Mythbusters might be more fun, but it would be more work, both physically and mentally.

The blood money you are getting will never cover the guilt and shame you will feel when you realize what has been done to innocents all over the world these past few weeks.

Still waiting for my first check – kind of like you are still waiting for a brain.

Sorry – couldn’t make it less offensive than that. You are an idiot plain and simple. You and people like you are why millions of people die every year for the simple reason that diseases and related causes of death, which are entirely preventable from vaccines and other modern advancements, occur.

On the bright side – you won’t be taking up a spot in front of me in the H1N1 vaccine line.

Thank God for small favors…

15 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:06:29 PM by !1776!

To: Jenny Hatch

>>The blood money you are getting will never cover the guilt and shame you will feel when you realize what has been done to innocents all over the world these past few weeks.<<

Not nearly as much as the blood on your hands from your tin-hat conspiracy theories that will kill people — MOSTLY CHILDREN — who did not inoculate because of people like you.

And, believe me, the blood will be there and unwashable.

But I ain’t getting a dime.

16 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:06:48 PM by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)

To: john in springfield
17 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:09:04 PM by Jenny Hatch (Mormon Mommy Blogger)

To: !1776!; Jenny Hatch

10 grand A WEEK???

Holy Moley! — $120K a year (and probably tax free since it is Big Pharma and all)!!

I don’t know about you, !1776!, but I have just changed careers. Why give out facts and debunk on the side when I can cash in?

Heck — if we do it right, we can do it part time (I mean, FR only occupies the 63% of my life that is not productive). I could keep my current job and clean up!

God, she’s right — we have been IDIOTS to do this for free!!!

Thanks, Jen! If this works out, a little extra something will be donated to FR in your name.

18 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:13:25 PM by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)

To: Jenny Hatch

The swine flu vaxes in the US have no adjuvants; no squalene. They bought some to add “just in case”, but it has not been added. Horowitz is a total nutcase and anything he says is mixed with his fertile imagination. He says AIDS isn’t cause by HIV, etc.

I’m not a pro-vax person by any means, but hey, when you say stuff that just ain’t so, you’re not doing your cause any good. Heck, I’m an herbalist and rarely ever use pharma drugs, maybe once or two a decade, if that. But truth is truth.

19 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:13:41 PM by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)

To: john in springfield

And you would be correct. There is none. I hang out on PFI to catch the flu news, and I have read so many hours that I dream about flu stuff.

There. Is. No. Squalene. Or. Other. Adjuvants. In. US. H1N1 aka swine flu. Vaccines.

THere is thimerasol in multi dose vials, not in the single dose vials.

20 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:15:27 PM by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)

To: freedumb2003; !1776!; Jenny Hatch

YIKES — MATH ERROR!!

$10K a week is 1/2 MILLION A YEAR!!

Forget my current job! And I can do this from my cabana in Cancun!

When I reel this one in, JimRob will only need one Freepathon every 5 years — in your name, Jen!

21 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:16:15 PM by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)

To: little jeremiah

Hey — don’t you screw up my $500,000 a year deal!

She’s totally right — and as long as she and her compadres work to show The Truth The Man will NEED shills to come on FR and post — at $10K a week.

Ifay ouyay antway inway etlay emay owknay….

22 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:19:12 PM by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)

To: john in springfield; All
Calculate the Mercury levels in your choice of vaccines offered this year from the pull down menus: National Vaccine Information Center – Providing Visibility into Vaccine Ingredients
23 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:20:15 PM by Larousse2 (“Educate and inform the whole mass of the people… They are the only sure reliance for the preserva)

To: john in springfield
My understanding is that there is NO SQUALENE or other adjuvant in ANY of the current US vaccines.And you are correct.

24 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:21:23 PM by MarMema (chains we can believe in)

To: freedumb2003
God, she’s right — we have been IDIOTS to do this for free!!!I’m in – just need to figure out where to pick up the checks. I’ll let you know when I find it if you promise to do the same for me.

What to buy, what to buy…

This being rich thing is going to be tough…

25 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:23:53 PM by !1776!

To: !1776!

They say money doesn’t buy happiness, but heck, wouldn’t you rather be rich and miserable than poor and miserable?

26 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:26:30 PM by Nik Naym (I remember when the United States was a free country. I feel old.)

To: freedumb2003

iway antway inway.

27 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:26:46 PM by !1776!

To: !1776!

>>This being rich thing is going to be tough…<<

Wouldn’t it be ironic if we were cut down by the flu because we were so rich we forgot to take the virus?

In the meantime, to hold that off, like I said, we should donate to Jim in the name of this thread…

28 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:27:21 PM by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)

To: !1776!

Oway Akay!!

29 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:29:09 PM by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)

To: Larousse2
Calculate the Mercury levels in your choice of vaccines offered this year from the pull down menus:…Calculate the harm that causes…

Oh wait, it’s about the seriousness of the charge not the real data. Sorry I forgot that aspect.

My bad.

Is there a pull down chart for the number of lives saved by vaccines anywhere? Polio, smallpox, not to mention those simply pesky diseases that killed countless people here and there.

I have to say I am getting sick of overly induldged people who happen to have absolutely no concept of history or the massive benefits that vaccincations have brought to their lives – whether they like it or not.

30 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:35:11 PM by !1776!

To: Nik Naym

Yes I would!

31 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:36:59 PM by !1776!

To: !1776!

You will find that most of these people are not opposed to vaccinations as much as they are opposed to anything to do with pharmaceutical companies.

They get wrapped up in their “natural medicine” fantasy and in their own minds science, medicine and “big pharma” as they like to call it become the enemy.

Many of these types are also opposed to antibiotics in any form. I can’t even begin to comprehend the number of lives that have been saved by antibiotics yet these people will claim them as ineffective, or harmful.

It is a result of truly warped thinking combined with a total lack of understanding of even the most basic scientific principles.

32 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:42:52 PM by Nik Naym (I remember when the United States was a free country. I feel old.)

To: Jenny Hatch
Plan to give any hints as to what the problem is here?Should BIGPHARMA not be able to recoup their investments and be able to make a profit after investing billions into R&D that results in products which save peoples lives?

BIGPHARMABIGPHARMABIGPHARMA – BOGEYBOGEYBOGEY…

Any chance you will start making sense soon?

33 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:44:54 PM by !1776!

To: Nik Naym
It is a result of truly warped thinking combined with a total lack of understanding of even the most basic scientific principles.Fully agree with you my friend.

34 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:46:56 PM by !1776!

To: john in springfield

I was told the same thing by our pediatrician who got his information from the CDC.

35 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 10:54:27 PM by HollyB

To: Nik Naym
The saying I remember is Money doesn’t buy happiness, but neither does poverty..and at least you can be comfortable in your misery..
36 posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 11:21:49 PM by goat granny

To: Jenny Hatch
Would this Horowitz be the Horowitz who has said the swine flu vaccine was made for genocide, the self described Levite Priest Horowitz who is keeper of the bloodline of King David, the Horowitz that has his own line of remedies to sell?Would this be the same Horowitz per chance?

37 posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:14:44 AM by count-your-change (You don’t have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)

To: Jenny Hatch

Since when has the swine flu vaccine here in the U.S. had squalene in it?

38 posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:37:47 AM by count-your-change (You don’t have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)

To: Scythian

ping

39 posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:14:18 AM by DvdMom (Let me know if you want to be added to the H1N1 ping list)

To: little jeremiah; DvdMom; Smokin’ Joe; Munz; mojitojoe; bethybabes69; metmom; All; 2ndDivisionVet
These vaccines that have “saved so many lives” in order to become a victim of life long chronic illnesses and chronically dependent on the medical-pharmaceutical cartel? Do your own independent research! Click Here for starters
40 posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:17:10 AM by Larousse2 (“Educate and inform the whole mass of the people… They are the only sure reliance for the preserva)

To: Nik Naym

There is much evidence that today’s vaccines have problems that are not being addressed.

41 posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:25:53 AM by I Buried My Guns (Buy Lots Of Ammo Today)

To: Jenny Hatch
I guess you dumba**es missed the paragraph about big pharma trolls dumping and spewing all over natural healing posts.

Trust me, they’re all over the FreeRepublic too …

42 posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:31:01 AM by Scythian

To: Jenny Hatch
How much is Baxter paying these days? Ten thousand a week to hang at Free Republic and dump all over anyone and anything that could hurt the vaccine agendas?There’s a sizable crowd that knee jerks about vaccines and is part of the pro big government crowd that posts here. They especially come out of the woodwork on the mandatory vaccine threads and shred anyone who’s opposed to the mandatory part as being anti-vaccine at all.

Nothing but misrepresentation.

43 posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:44:54 AM by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)

To: count-your-change

“Since when has the swine flu vaccine here in the U.S. had squalene in it?”

I would patiently ask you to refer to the PDF Document in Post #17 that contains a list of “Possible” adjuvants for the H1N1 Vaccine. In section 57 of said patent, the various types of Adjuvents are outlined…

It is written in orwellian newspeak, so I’ll interpret it for you dumba**es:

Mineral Gels: For politicians, their families and cronys.

Aluminum hydroxide: For Patriotic Senior Citizens who we would prefer sitting immobilized in an alzheimers unti rather than attending Teaparties.

Oil Emulsions such as water in oil, or oil in water for all of the rabble we want dead or so disabled, they won’t be able to function and fight our agendas…

The kicker is in the FINAL sentence:

OF COURSE THE SELECTION OF THE ADJUVANT DEPENDS ON THE INTENDED USE IE TOXICITY MAY DEPEND ON THE DESTINED SUBJECT ORGANISM AND CAN VARY FROM NO TOXICITY TO HIGH TOXICITY.”

Squalene is here, it is being used and I still think you are getting a buttload of money for disrupting the chats at Free Republic…WHORE!!!

44 posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:38:53 AM by Jenny Hatch (Mormon Mommy Blogger)

To: count-your-change

“Since when has the swine flu vaccine here in the U.S. had squalene in it?”

I would patiently ask you to refer to the PDF Document in Post #17 that contains a list of “Possible” adjuvants for the H1N1 Vaccine. In section 57 of said patent, the various types of Adjuvents are outlined…

It is written in orwellian newspeak, so I’ll interpret it for you dumba**es:

Mineral Gels: For politicians, their families and cronys.

Aluminum hydroxide: For Patriotic Senior Citizens who we would prefer sitting immobilized in an alzheimers unti rather than attending Teaparties.

Oil Emulsions such as water in oil, or oil in water for all of the rabble we want dead or so disabled, they won’t be able to function and fight our agendas…

The kicker is in the FINAL sentence:

OF COURSE THE SELECTION OF THE ADJUVANT DEPENDS ON THE INTENDED USE IE TOXICITY MAY DEPEND ON THE DESTINED SUBJECT ORGANISM AND CAN VARY FROM NO TOXICITY TO HIGH TOXICITY.”

Squalene is here, it is being used and I still think you are getting a buttload of money for disrupting the chats at Free Republic…WHORE!!!

Miscarriage after H1N1 Vaccine: Stories are starting to pour in on the internet from all over the country!

The Comments tied to this article are really good too…

From the Organic Health Adviser:

Shocking H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Miscarriage Stories From Pregnant Women – Tell Your Doctors That Vaccines And Pregnancy Do Not Mix!

H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Miscarriage Stores From Pregnant WomenH1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Miscarriage Horror Stories

U.S. health authorities have made pregnant women one of the highest priority groups for getting the H1N1 swine flu vaccine, but is it actually safe for pregnant women and their babies? Well, the truth is that miscarriage reports from pregnant women who have taken the H1N1 swine flu vaccine are starting to pour in from all over the nation. Vaccines and pregnancy simply do not mix safely. In fact, the package inserts for the swine flu vaccines actually say that the safety of these vaccines for pregnant women has not been established.

What you are about to read below should shock and anger you. If they are telling us that the swine flu vaccine is not safe for children under 6 months of age, then why in the world would it be safe for pregnant women and their babies? That doesn’t make an ounce of sense, does it?

The following H1N1 swine flu vaccine miscarriage horror stories are from a June 2010 birth club…..

EBWashington:

I am so upset. I was so excited to be pregnant after trying for a year. As soon as I found out I was pregnant, I joined this birth club and I was due June 25th. We have two healthy boys with no history of miscarriage. Everything was going great. Last Monday, I got the H1N1 vaccine thimerosal reduced (mercury reduced for pregnant women). On Tuesday morning, I started cramping and on Wednesday I started bleeding heavily. My hcg was 50 on Wednesday and I was almost 6 weeks along so it was low. They still thought that I might be pregnant but on Friday my hcg was down to 22. I am an emotional wreck. I feel like I had a healthy baby and I caused this by getting the H1N1 vaccine. My doctors pushed it. I researched online and there have been many miscarriages after the H1N1 vaccine but they haven’t been reported since it is hard to say what caused the miscarriages. I hope that I did not cause this. I wish everyone the best.

Tayla08

I don’t have an answer for you, but a friend of a friend just had a miscarriage 2-3 days after getting the shot. She was 7weeks. She had no previous history of m/c… No one can answer if they’re related…it hasn’t been out long enough and there haven’t been any studies done on pregnant women. I will tell you, that it has made up my mind on getting it…I won’t and I’m not going to get it for my DD either. My daughter and I both had H1N1 last week, and although it truly sucks…I think I’ll take my chances. One doctor will tell you to get it and the next will tell you not too…you have to do what’s in your heart.

90707

my heart goes out to you as i recently miscarried as well and was due in june. i had a healthy heart beat at 6wks. then at 7.5 wks my son got the h1n1 mist vaccine which has live vaccine in it. the nurse said to be careful b/c it could technically spread if he rubbed his nose and touched a surface etc. the next night i miscarried and 5 days later was diagnosed with h1n1. i work from home, kids are home, hadnt been anywhere during that time. so the chances that it is all related are very high. the flu mist vaccine warns for immunocompromised patients (which includes prego) to stay away from recipients of the flu mist for 21 days.

This next set of H1N1 swine flu vaccine miscarriage horror stories is from an About.com page about miscarriage…..

Jo:

I got the flu vaccine (regular not H1N1) at 8 weeks pregnant. Three days later I miscarried. I am not going to get the H1N1.

Regrets:

I got both vaccines on Thursday. I was 9 weeks pregnant. I miscarried on Sunday. I was told by several doctors to get these vaccines. Now I wish I followed my gut feeling and not get them at ALL!

:

i work in a hospital like setting and was told ‘the benefits outweigh the risks” 1am i got the vaccine, 3am i started bleeding and craming, 3pm miscarried. you decide

sue:

I had the H1N1 vaccination and 24 hours later had a miscarriage.

Linda Hill:

My daughter in law was 10 weeks pregnant and had the H1N1 vaccine on Friday that night she miscarried.

SoSorry:

I was so ready to get the H1N1 vaccine last week and they were only giving them to pregnant women. I was 6 weeks along and got it and the next day I started cramping and miscarried. I already had two healthy pregnancies and never miscarried or had any problems. My doctors think I am crazy to think it was the H1N1 but if no one looks into this than other women will not know. I am so sorry that I got it.

Connie:

I also received the H1N1 vaccination on October 22nd, 2009 and went into labor on October 25th, at 16 weeks pregnant and we just heard the heartbeat and everything was fine with my pregnancy on October 16th, 2009, then on October 28th my water broke then on October 29th, I delivered a stillborn baby boy, and no one can tell me why…Everyone wants to say it did not come from the shot but I believe it did. My baby was growing at the correct pace and everyone wants to brush off the vaccination. I say if you have the vaccination and suffer a miscarriage if they are able to perform an autopsy have it done.

I also agree something needs to be done and looked more into with this vaccination because most women are being advised it’s just something that happens, but I also had two healthy children normal pregnancies and when I received this vaccination with my third pregnancy, my baby is gone.

sioux falls, south dakota:

I received the H1N1 vaccine on October 16th and started experiencing cramping on the 22nd. I was nearly 17 weeks pregnant and gave birth to a stillborn baby boy on the 23rd. Like many of the other women here, the first thing I suspected was the H1N1 vaccine. I immediately asked a nurse at the hospital if that would have anything to do with it. Without hesitation, she told me “absolutely not.” I had reservations about getting the vaccine, but followed the advice of my long trusted family doctor. In a follow up appointment with my doctor 3 days after I lost my baby, I asked him if the vaccine would have had any adverse effects on my baby. He also said that it was not possible. I don’t believe that my doctor was necessarily lying to me, he was simply following the accepted practices and opinions of his field. I do, however, believe that as a nation, we are being lied to.

This vaccine is NOT safe during pregnancy. There has not been enough testing done to determine this and there are far too many “coincidences” for this to be anything but a result of a vaccine that was hastily pushed into production and distribution in an effort to stop widespread panic. I have read so many stories in defense of the vaccine that will talk about how common miscarriages are, but I would challenge you to ask ANY health care professional how common second trimester miscarriages are.

My baby was doing perfect developmentally and I had felt him move earlier that day. My heart goes out to all of you out there who have had to go through the same heartache and loss that I have had in the last couple of weeks. There is no reason that any woman or family should have to go through this. Get the word out to all of the pregnant women that you know. I know that if I had heard that women had been losing their babies shortly after they received the vaccine, I would have followed my gut and not gotten it myself. Maybe then Wyatt would have had a chance at life.

Marina Rossi:

I recently got the H1N1 vaccine and miscarried 3 days later. I thought it could have been the vaccine but didnt ask. After finding this site I believe it was the vaccine. Sorry to everyone else out there who has just experienced a miscarriage.

kathy-sd:

I’m from a town of 2000 in SD, there are several women pregnant and we are all due within a few weeks of each other. Four of us got the H1N1 vaccine 2 weeks ago and one by one each of us started to have preterm contractions. We are all due in Nov and Dec so we are further along than most of the people that lost their babies. There is no way you can tell us that our preterm labor was not caused by the H1N1 vaccine. It may look like a “fluke” to some people when these women are scattered all over the country but we are talking about 4 of us in our small community. My heart goes out to all of you that lost your babies.

ashley:

Im not sure but not only myself, i know someone that withing 4 days of getting the shot we both miscarried, i was only 6 weeks and she was 4 months along, not sure if the shot caused it and cant find any other information but i am a little concerned about this coincidence.

Time Machine:

I got a flu shot in pregnancy, developed incredibly strange symptoms immediately (numb hands, feet and mouth, heart palpitations, sudden weakness in my legs, a bright red face), began bleeding and miscarried by 11 weeks. I had no idea there was mercury in most flu shots but once I found out after the fact, I was assured that I’d had the “mercury free” form. As it turned out, the shot wasn’t completely mercury free and, according to the EPA website, it still had 5,000 times the limit for mercury in drinking water– not to mention a list of other toxins (MSG, formaldehyde, etc.).

I’d had no idea the shots were so dirty. I guess I’d been under the impression they were something like sterile water and a dead virus, that’s it.

The strange symptoms– which I’d been told were “just pregnancy” lasted six months. No one could figure out what was wrong with me, why I couldn’t make stairs, why I felt like I’d been shot with novocaine. I learned later from a book by Jane Hightower that these were all symptoms of mercury exposure. I guess I’m one of those susceptible people. No one in my family is getting the H1N1– no one even gets regular flu shots anymore, we all read labels.

If you are a pregnant mother, please do not take the H1N1 swine flu vaccine.  Instead, do everything that you can do to avoid public places and make sure to wash your hands more than you usually would.  Take extra large doses of immunity building vitamins and research many of the great natural ways for fighting the flu that are out there on the Internet.

The truth is that if you do take the vaccine and then something happens, you will NOT be able to sue anyone (thanks to Congress).  You will have to bear all the responsibility yourself.  That doctor who kept pushing and pushing it on you will tell you that it could not have been the vaccine and that you probably would have miscarried anyway. 

Do you honestly want to inject a vaccine that may contain mercury, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80 (associated with infertility), triton X100 (a strong detergent), phenoxyethanol (antifreeze) and a whole bunch of other toxic ingredients into your system when you know that your baby will absorb it too and has no defenses against most of these things?

In the very short video posted below, you will see one health expert explain to Sean Hannity that not even the swine flu vaccine package insert says that it is safe for pregnant women…..

The reality is that if you are pregnant, you need to hear what both sides have to say before ever subjecting your baby to the swine flu vaccine.  You do NOT want to end up like one of the mothers above.  Please help us out by sharing this information with as many people as you can.  If you know of any additional H1N1 swine flu vaccine miscarriage horror stories please post them below in the comments section.

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