More details about the Math Wars: Saxon vs. Everyone Else

imageI was contacted last week by Dad Blogger and New Homeschooling Father Scott Suler.  He has been aware of the Math Wars and the various claims made by both sides about faulty Math Curriculum.  He read a couple of my Math Posts and contacted me about his conversation with the author of the middle school Saxon Math textbooks Stephen Hake.

He contacted Stephen Hake first hand and engaged him in a Q and A email conversation.  The four blog entries detailing their email chat are located on Scotts Blog Homeschooling Odyssey.

To read this conversation click HERE, HERE, HERE, AND HERE!

The most relevant portion of Scott and Stephens conversation to parents today was the first response from Stephen in Part one of Scotts Blog Posts:

“To underscore the care I take with the content, I will speaking personally. The greatest satisfaction I have as a Saxon author is that parents choose Saxon Math for their children. Homeschool parents have trust us for 30 years. I take that trust very seriously. I began writing this program for my own children, and now my grandchildren are using the program. I am certainly not going to compromise their education. So homeschool parents can continue to trust us.

Now for a longer version: I first made contact with John Saxon in 1983 after I began using his first-printing Algebra 1 textbook with a class of 8th grade students I was teaching. His book was remarkably similar in style to the method I had settled upon for my students. I fact, I had written curriculum that teachers were using in my school district at the 4th, 5th, and 6th grade levels. John Saxon and I agreed to merge our efforts. John wrote the books Algebra 1/2 and up, while I wrote manuscripts for Math 54, Math 65, Math 76, and Math 87. The manuscripts I wrote followed the format John Saxon used for his high school books, and the content was based on my own teaching experience.

When John Saxon would receive one of my manuscripts, he would review it, mark it for editorial changes, and then we would meet to go over his suggestions. We saw eye-to-eye on nearly everything, and on the rare occasions when we did not completely agree, he would consent to my decision, since I had experience at that level. In other words, he acknowledged me as lead author.

Over the years, states have required more content in math courses. For example, math textbooks now include more content in statistics, probability, and problem-solving. Additionally, states require copyright dates to remain current. Therefore, every six or seven years publishers create new editions. When the time came to revise the Saxon Math textbooks, we did not remove content. We usually added a few lessons, and we would strengthen the existing content. Although we added pages to the books over the years, we also made the books better.

Saxon Homeschool does not directly sell the newest editions of the books, entitled Intermediate 3, 4, 5 and Courses 1, 2, 3. However, the publisher sells these editions to schools, and sometimes people post these books on eBay. They are good books. Although these editions are generally not available to homeschool customers, is no reason to avoid them. Some parents have asked about Saxon Math and Common Core. The most recent editions of Saxon Math were created before the Common Core State Standards were created.

This email does not address the Saxon high school books. If you would like information about the new high school books or my perspective on Common Core, let me know, and I will respond in a separate email.

Best regards,

Stephen Hake”

imageMore parents are jumping on the bandwagon questioning Common Core Math.

Last night a post by a Father was whipping around Facebook.  The Dad, Daniel Bongino is running for Congress in Maryland and he  said this:

“Like many of you, I am a parent who is passionate about my child’s education in an increasingly competitive and unforgiving global economy.

Having stated that, I cannot condemn the Common Core in strong enough terms. Look at the picture I have attached to this post. I gave my daughter a relatively easy long-division problem to do today, in an attempt to gauge her progress, and this is what she gave back to me.

Common Core Math

This is completely unacceptable. How is it that we are replacing a time-tested, efficient method of long-division with an absurd, multi-step process that not only confuses the students, but the parents too?

Compounding the Common Core disaster is the fact that in my daughter’s last school year she was taught the older, more effective method of long-division and is now completely confused.

Friends, all politics are local and it gets no more local than your kitchen table. Fight back against the Common Core, and do it quickly, by calling and emailing your local, state, and federal elected officials.

This is not a partisan issue. Your child’s education is suffering whether you are a Democrat or a Republican. Every second we lose is another second our kids are being exposed to a third-rate curriculum in a first-world economy. Count on me as an ally in this fight.
-Dan”

I really am amazed that two busy Fathers would slow down their lives enough to attempt to get the facts in this matter.  The Math Wars continue on…

I wish I trusted the schools enough to know that if I sent Ben to Middle School next year nobody would be messing with his mind.  I am not a math teacher, not trained in education or educrat pedagogy. I am angry that I have to spend my precious time teaching my son Math when the whole infrastructure uses my tax dollars to train teachers and administrators, build the schools, and buy the textbooks.  If the world was not turned completely upsidedown we would not have had to spend thousands of dollars of our precious resources from our family budget buying curriculum to fill in the gaps where the public schools are spectacularly failing.

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These Saxon Text Books are as important to me as the scriptures we read with our children every day.  We keep them on a special shelf in our living room and they are treated like the treasures that they are.  Every day that Ben and I sit down to work on his daily math lesson I feel a sense of satisfaction that we are beating back against the insanity that is Math Education in America, but there are about ten thousands things I would RATHER be doing with my time than playing the part of Math Teacher.

Not every parent has the time, resources, gumption, and desire to take on the intimidating task of teaching middle school and high school math to a child.  And it is for them that I continue to write and yell.

It we don’t dump the Common Core mess right in the toilet where it belongs a huge group of American School Children are going to grow up believing they are idiots.  I pray we can get the gumption to fight back against Jeb Bush and Bill Gates and say “no, you are not going to dumb down yet another generation of children!”

Jenny Hatch

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Common Core PODCAST by Teachers

I listened to this podcast last night, it was very interesting…Click HERE to listen.

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Homeschool Co-op? Yes or no…

imageA really great conversation is taking place over at The Pioneer Woman Blog about homeschool support groups. Click HERE to read the post!

And click HERE to read the comments attached to the post.

The conversation was precipitated by a question from someone in the community who asked:

The following question is from Melissa M.

“This is our first full year of homeschooling and we joined a co-op that meets 4 afternoons a week. There are positives and negatives with this but we want to know the following questions about how others structure their co-op groups:

1. How many days a week do you meet?
2. What subjects do you teach or explore?
3. How do you deal with parent involvement?
4. How do you address discipline or behavior?
5. How many years have you been in co-ops, what do you love/hate about it?”

I really enjoyed reading the whole thread and would encourage you to go take a look if you are curious about the different types of support groups that exist.

I belonged to about ten different groups over the years and even started one in Boulder that met monthly at our Stake Center when my children were little. The Stake President was extremely supportive of us using the building once a month for our group. And we met there for about a year.

I have since heard that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has made it impossible for Home School Groups to use the facility for support groups, which I think is a crying shame, but I understand why they would feel the need to do so, (don’t want the Moms who send their kids to public school to feel bad or somethin’). I admit, that was mean snark, but I don’t get why some groups are OK and others are not…here is what the book says:

The Facilities Management Guideline says this:

HOMESCHOOL

“While the church strongly encourages education, meetinghouses should not be used as home school or day care facilities or for hosting homeschool activities. Adherence to this policy will promote safety and avoid tax liabilities for the church.”

Our stake back in Boulder hosted several community support groups for people who were not LDS, including a Sexual Addiction group and a toddler Music Class. So, the church is OK for the facility being used for some weekly activities like those for Sex Addicts, but not for parents who homeschool. I think it is pathetic that those big beautiful spaces are largely empty during the weekday when they could be teeming with productive activities in every nook and corner of the building!

We sent our children to a small charter for a couple years and then pulled them out to homeschool while my oldest daughter was in the 6th through 8th grade.  It was during this time that we met weekly with a dynamic group of LDS Moms who gathered at the Arvada Stake Center.  This amazing group of parents, The Liahona Home Educators, was the most organized and fun to be with.  We did a musical, went on a family camping trip to Golden Gate State Park for three days and we  also did PE, Music, Sports, Language, Nutrition, Science Fair, Parties, and had many field trips to various museums around the Denver Area.

Lifelong friendships were formed and I will always be grateful for the hard work and dedication that went into that group.

There are as many philosophies and beliefs about what makes for a successful homeschool as there are families.  It really boils down to what type of lifestyle you want to live.  I found that some of the time and energy was wasted by infighting and clashing of religious or educational beliefs.  The Fundy Christians did NOT want Mormon kids rubbing shoulders with their precious babes and the Waldorf Moms were not comfortable with the Conservative mainstream Moms.  These issues inevitably led to Mom war type schisms  as groups broke up and reformed around various ideological beliefs and practices.

Going forward, what I plan to do is simply reach out to one homeschooling family, one time, to have a play date or engage in another activity like a field trip or an outing.  We had many of these types of interactions with the families in our circle of friends.  We baked cookies or went sledding, or had a night of singing.  A one time event takes the pressure off everyone and really puts the focus where it should be; a joyful memory with parents  and children who are making the same difficult choices you are.

I observed in a couple of my support groups that the Mothers would gather in a corner and let the children run wild while they socialized.  I am not dissing on this type of support, Lord knows Moms who teach need all of the support they can get.  But I did not last long at those types of groups.

I wanted to be engaged with the children in some productive activity.

Ben has been very clear that he has no interest in joining a support group.  He has plenty of daily interaction with his siblings and this year everyone has pitched in to help teach.  I am doing Math and Music, Paul is doing History, Shelly is covering Language Arts, Allison is doing PE, and Andy is in charge of field trips and Current Events.  It has been fun to see how he has responded to all of this individual attention from the family.  He eats up that energy like a dry sponge.  I have told him at various times when he has complained about Allison requiring him to run and do pushups and Shelly pushing him in his writing that he needs to just relax and enjoy the ride because next year when Andy leaves on his mission and Allison is married, life will look very different for our family when it is just Ben, Paul, and I here alone.

Next year I plan to do a little more outreach in our community and find those families who would be interested in a one time outing or gathering.  I don’t plan to attend a once a week support group, at least unless if it is organized around a certain goal like a musical or a sporting event.

We like spending most of our time at home together, eating and reading and working on projects around the house.  We are planning to plant an amazing garden this year and all of the children are going to be referees for local soccer clubs this summer.

Good luck with your Homeschooling efforts!

Jenny Hatch

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Keep calm and Obliterate Common Core

Keep Calm

Here are a few articles, columns, memes and videos to share on your Mom Blogs that I found around the web this week.

Best opinion piece of the week was from George Will:

George F. Will: Opposition to common core surging as skepticism takes hold

“Opposition to the Common Core is surging because Washington, hoping to mollify opponents, is saying, in effect: “If you like your local control of education, you can keep it. Period.” To which a burgeoning movement is responding: “No. Period.”

Video: Arkansas Mother Karen Lamoreaux Interviewed on Glenn Beck Show.

Race to the top

Parents homeschooling children in response to Common Core standards

“WICHITA, Kan. — Just mention the Common Core and you’ll get a reaction from parents Justin and Jennifer Dahlmann.

“We both get a little tight in the chest,” Justin said.

The Dahlmann’s have four girls ranging in age from 2 to 9. They say they noticed the kids were beginning to struggle in school recently. They didn’t know why.

Then, Justin, a former educator, says they found out the new Common Core math and English standards had been implemented at their children’s private school.

“Our own kids were taking these standards that are driving the curriculum and we didn’t know anything about it,” Justin said. “That’s when we started doing the research on it and realized how overbearing it was.”

…”For the Dahlmann’s, homeschooling their children is, in essence, a form of protest of the “overbearing” standards they believe are coming from “the top down.”

They say what concerns them the most is that most parents have been told little, if anything, about the standards.

They hope no matter the conclusion parents reach, they at least take a closer look and ask questions about what their children are being taught.

“If this does nothing more than wake people up to becoming more involved with their children, that’s great,” Justin said. “But absolutely parents need to become more involved in this.”

The time is now to jump into the conversation.  More parents and educators than ever are aware and watching.

 

Speak up, speak out and let’s shut this thing down…

Jenny Hatch

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Ferris Bueller on European Socialism

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Brain Damaged Baby gets 35 on the ACT!

Paul has been taking Andrew around town and snapping random photos of him for his Senior Picture. Here are some of the best he has taken:

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Andrew surprised and delighted both Paul and I this month by getting a 35 on his ACT test! I have had many moments to myself chuckling at the irony of this amazing test score. My long term readers and friends know that when we gave birth to Andy 17 years ago during our first Unassisted Childbirth, we had to transfer to the hospital because he was not breathing.

During the first three days of his life the staff at the hospital in an overwhelm of concern and obvious need to “set me straight” informed us over and over again that he was certain to be permanently brain damaged because of his homebirth and lack of oxygen after he was born.

During his first couple years a few friends and family members kept waiting for the damage to manifest, but it never did and he has been a delight to parent from the moment he entered our lives. I have to laugh thinking about the doom and gloom predicted and prophesied about this son-o-mine during his early years. The Medicos are particularly nasty when parents choose to forgo prenatal care and create the baby alone. I must confess to a secret desire to photocopy his test scores and mail them off to all the busy body nurses at those hospitals who were so put off by our choice to take personal responsibility for our child.

Nah. I will just go on enjoying the love and light emanating from my intelligent and handsome son while they continue to needlessly poison the innocents in their care with nasty birth drugs, vaccines, ultrasound, and baby formula.

Jenny Hatch