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A “Lovely” chat with some folks over at Free Thoughts Blog
I was so pleased with the efforts of Michelle Bachmann during the latest debate and her interviews with the press around the whole Gardasil issue that I wrote up a couple of comments sharing a few links and blasted around the web looking for news sights and blogs where I could post without being a member.
The people at Free Thoughts blog took issue with my comment and we shared a nice, thoughtful friendly chat in the comment section.
HUGE Profanity alert if you decide to go wading into comment section
Steve Burd, whose Coalition to Advance Healthcare Reform (CAHR), was the author of Obamacare and has written it into the rules and regs of the law that if a person is not fully vaccinated upon arrival at an ER, he or she must be brought up to date on said vaccines before being treated.
It is also implied in the bill that Peek a Boo squads can show up at your door and vaccinate you and your children if they are also not up to date on Vaccines. Medical Fascism is just around the corner…
Now, perhaps some believe these types of measures are necessary to ensure we all stay healthy. I choose to believe that darker agendas are behind these laws being put into place.
Michele Bachmann should be awarded for having the courage to spank Rick Perry and bring this issue into the light of day.
Many Girls have died after getting the shot – I created a blog entry yesterday that includes seven informational VIDEOS about those deaths
And a featured article at Blogging Mothers Magazine this month outlines my own horror story of attempting to warn innocents and stand up to those who created the HPV Vaccine:
http://bloggingmothersmagazine.com/2011/08/31/american-style-terrorism/
Many, Many people have been murdered around the campaign
to vaccinate American Teens. It is time for that story to be told.
Jenny Hatch
http://WWW.JennyHatch.com
Hey guys!
Lots of hugs and kisses! First someone tells me to FO and then another person SWEETLY invites me back to enjoy a lovely thoughtful chat on Vaccines.
I am a busy Mom, so don’t have much time but here is an article about the IN-HOME vaccinations: http://vactruth.com/2009/12/19/health-care-bill-creates-peek-a-boo-squads-to-enforce-in-home-vaccinations/
XOXO
Jen
Beatrice and Bill,
You two are Really Really good at interpreting “Mormon Speak”..
Have a “Lovely” day,
XOXO
HUGS AND KISSES!
Jenny Hatch
A thousand apologies, had NO IDEA this was a serious, thoughtful, and straight laced snark free zone of enlightenment and sophistication.
Nope, none of that at my house, or on my blog. It is all
just one big delusional paranoid fantasy of sovereign family living ahd empowered self reliance…
Please accept my heartfelt and most humble and SINCERE apology.
I will never again sully this bastion of “FREE THOUGHT” bought and paid for by Merck.
Jen
Audley,
The scientific evidence that you request is to be found in my personal statistics.
Five Hatch Children not vaccinated and No Autism in any of them.
Two daughters not given the HPV vaccine and they are still alive!
This is the only scientific study that means anything to me personally.
I am not really into scientific double blind placeboed junk science that is bought and paid for by Pharma Companies.
My own experience with attempts to “silence” me on the
web have taught me that Big Pharma will go to just about any length to shut up those of us blowing our internet whistles.
http://bloggingmothersmagazine.com/2011/08/31/american-style-terrorism/
If you have any evidence that what I wrote in that article is not true, please present it.
Jenny Hatch
http://WWW.JennyHatch.com
Jenny Hatch says:
16 September 2011 at 11:22 pm
HATCHBACK?
Puleeese. Gotta be something cooler than Hatchback.
For the dude who wanted to know why I was banned from Free Republic last month. This post contains a short explanation at the end: http://jennyhatch.com/2011/08/17/economic-congruency-ayn-rand-points-to-the-logical-next-step-of-obamas-financial-policies/
Ya’ll are kinda nice and thoughtful people, a little bit potty mouthed, but overall, where else could I go after being permanently banned from Mothering Mag Discussions and Free Republic?
Nobody likes me, sniff sniff…
Even the atheists think I should be sterilized and my children put in a reeducation camp…
Whatever shall I do?
Jenny Hatch
PS For the folks from the ex mormon site who were asking WHO in their midst wanted to try to “take me out” on this blog….come on over to The Natural Family Blog. LOVE to chat with people from all over the healthcare and religion spectrum. We could make a batch of popcorn, sit a while and chat…about life, and the pursuit of happyness.
I have been debating vaccines on the web since I first showed up on the internet 14 years ago.
The conversations typically run the way this comment section has. Personal attacks against me and my family, calls for me to be sterilized, children removed from my care, and worse.
Repeated requests for scientific information that does not exist, (no one has the money to even attempt to conduct a double blind placebo study the way the pharma companies can and no “peer” exists to review it).
So instead of wasting my time typing attempting to share facts, I usually just do what I did here which was to sarcastically respond to the personal attacks and make a plea for parental rights by sharing pictures of my family and evidence that they are in fact alive and do exist. Quite often people accuse me of not being a Mom etc…
My son Jeff had whooping cough when he was two during an outbreak here in Colorado. Most of the children who caught it had already been vaccinated for it. This is the biggest issue for me. Vaccines give parents a false sense of security.
I believe because I breastfed him until he was three and effectively used oregano oil as treatment he was cured of the disease just as effectively as those who used allopathy. Those educated with the mountain of literature that exists on the benefits of mothers milk to immunity know that it is a completely appropriate place to put ones trust. As for the power of essential oils, if you have not tried them during an illness, get a bottle of young livings oregano and feel the magic during your next cold.
If oediatricians bullied parents into breastfeeding the way they shove vaccines we could have a true health revolution in America.
I simply demand my parental rights to make life or death health care choices for my children until they are old enough to make those choices for themselves.
I really don’t have much else to say, if you don’t like my blog or me, or my family just because we choose to live another lifestyle, and if you think we are somwhow a threat to you or your family or society, I can’t do anything to change that. But it should be abundantly clear by now that we have not made important health care decisions because of what everyone else is doing.
Jen
Beating my head against the monitor….
If I can’t use anecdotes to make my case, I have NOTHING because no group of parents can afford to counter pharma companies money, power, and authority.
All we have is our anecdotes, and I have read up on EVERYTHING I know all of the arguments, all of the issues, and I still choose to protect my children from intoxication from useless vaccines.
I will never publicly recant, will never allow them to be poisoned, and will go to prison before subjecting them to a fate worse than death by filling up their bodies and minds with a toxic syringe full of death and disability.
As for isolation, my children have much more to fear from other children shedding toxic live viruses for the ten days after they are innoculated than any child has to fear from my robustly healthy specimens of humanity.
And this is exactly the place where it is truly time for me to leave. Happy Trails…
Anterprepo,
So very, very sorry for my mistake inmplying that anyone posting at this enlightened deep well of scientific bodaciousness would ever in a trillion years imply, infer, or suggest that I be sterilized and have my children taken away.
It was this site where the unthinkable occurred:http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,295875,295922
In the mad dash to respond to this site between weekend soccer games and UNDOUBTEDLY because my brain is suffering from a lack of nutrients and all that other “good stuff” that all ye enlightened nobles regularly blast into your brains from yearly flu shots (ya know, Aluminum, polysorbate 80, Squalene… etc etc) I inadverdently and without malice mixed up the messaging of the two sites…
Hanging my head in deep and neverending shame.
The idea or thought that anyone at this site could ever even think of using a personal attack as a debate skill when science, facts, and Big Pharma profit streams are on the line…I feel nauseated and faint at my own defensiveness and attempt to “stick up for myself” on this site.
Slinking my soul in self recrimination and quietly backing away while whispering “not worthy, not worthy”,
I skip back to The Natural Family Blog where we are talking about conceiving baby number six.
Fare thee well O ye enlightened purveyors of science, truth, and BALDERDASH.
Jenny
For your enlightenment and education:
http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/09/27/door-to-door-surprise-vaccinations-in-ca-district/
Door-To-Door Surprise Vaccinations In CA District
A school district in California took a healthcare employee with a news crew around to make sure all the kids had their vaccinations. You can see in the video they applied pressure to parents to vaccinate the children on the spot. A mother told the worker to “Get the f— out!”
They chose to do this right in the middle of the district’s budget crisis. And guess who doesn’t vaccinate his kids? See the video below.
Remember the article about Malawai children being vaccinated at gunpoint? That started with “health surveillance assistants” going into town and door-to-door. Think it can’t happen here?
~Health Freedoms
California District Is Doing Unannounced Door-to-Door Vaccines
The Natomas Unified School District in Sacramento, California is in financial trouble.* They’ve cut teacher salaries. Employees are being forced to take time off without pay. Class sizes are getting bigger and bigger. But when it comes to vaccinations, the sky’s the limit. The district is now doing door-to-door vaccinations. Unannounced. And they’ve taken a news crew around with them. Here’s a video showing it:
Could it possibly be more clear that our children are being handed over to Big Pharma as a profit center? Parents who make the intelligent choice not to vaccinate their children are subjected to humiliation and intimidation. Their children may be prevented from going to school. The news media acts as cheerleader and propagandist.
Parents are pressured. Not shown in the video is that they aren’t provided information about their right to opt out. If they choose to opt out, they aren’t given the exemption forms. No information is given about risks associated with the vaccine.
The vaccination in question is Tdap (tetanus, diphtheria, and acellular pertussis), and is one of the most questionable. The pertussis portion provides no protection against the new outbreaks of whooping cough, and is actually responsible for causing the new more virulent, 10 times as deadly, strain.
April Boden, who provided the information about this travesty, has written a letter of protest that delineates the California statute clearly stating that vaccines may not be mandated, and asks anyone and everyone to copy, paste, and send it. Here’s the letter, followed by addresses:
To Whom It May Concern,
After viewing the news report on how your school district decided to go door to door asking parents to vaccinate their children with Tdap in their homes, I grew concerned about your school’s knowledge of students’ and parents’ rights. I wonder if, instead of leaping to an assumption that the parents are experiencing different “family situations”, they may be having concerns over the safety and efficacy of the vaccine itself. It has certainly been all over the news that there is a Whooping Cough/Pertussis outbreak in California; however, very little is addressed about the fact that nearly all of those who contracted the disease had neither been fully vaccinated for it nor that California itself has one of the highest vaccination rates for Tdap in the country. Any parent informed of this may question the logic of yet another mandate on their child in order to attend school. Would it not be more appropriate to to offer them the exemption form Cdph 8261 as required in lieu of vaccination? Particularly given that it is their right to seek exemption on grounds of Personal Beliefs, and furthermore, in light of the information about the questionable efficacy of the vaccine. Find the a link to the CNN article that addresses this below. The law for vaccine mandate states as follows:
“120365. Immunization of a person shall not be required for admission to a school or other institution listed in Section 120335 if the parent or guardian or adult who has assumed responsibility for his or her care and custody in the case of a minor, or the person seeking admission if an emancipated minor, files with the governing authority a letter or affidavit stating that the immunization is contrary to his or her beliefs. However, whenever there is good cause to believe that the person has been exposed to one of the communicable diseases listed in subdivision (a) of Section 120325, that person may be temporarily excluded from the school or institution until the local health officer is satisfied that the person is no longer at risk of developing the disease.”
Was this information fully disclosed to the parents and was a vaccine exemption form provided? I have reason to believe they were not. I respectfully request that in the future, the district and News 10 act in a manner that is appropriate, fair and respectful to the privacy and wishes of families whose concerns about vaccination safety and efficacy are increasing. It is explicitly inappropriate to assume their “neglect” and display their names, addresses, and phone numbers on broadcast news.
Thank you for your time.
Respectfully,
Vaccination role unclear in whooping cough outbreak:http://articles.cnn.com/2010-06-28/health/california.whooping.cough_1_whooping-cough-pertussis-vaccines-and-autism?_s=PM:HEALTH
Natomas Unified School District
1901 Arena Blvd.
Sacramento, CA 95834
Phone: (916) 567-5400
Television news company that did the video:
News10
400 Broadway
Sacramento, CA 95812-0010
News Room Phone: (916) 321-3300
*Natomas Unified School District Salary Cut & Furlough Agreement
By Heidi Stevenson
Source:
Hey guys,
So fun to be back to feel the love.
A general dissing was thrust in my general direction when I quoted the “Peek a Boo” article above. http://vactruth.com/2009/12/19/health-care-bill-creates-peek-a-boo-squads-to-enforce-in-home-vaccinations/
Just wanted to share this most recent article from Health Freedom to share the fact that the Peek a Boo squads, with news media along for the ride, are in fact taking place…
The other assertion above was that Emergency Rooms would not treat citizens who are not up to date on current vaccines.
In the bill, it is implied but not delineated…so it is a little more difficult to quantify and prove.
But when it happens, I will be certain to post a little update on this post for ya’ll.
Happy Trails….
Jen
PS Don’t really care about getting in the last word, it’s more…I missed the general sense of “head up our collective ass” that seems to permeate this place. It’s refreshing to know some “true believers” still exist in the world…LMAO
“they really are out to get you.”
Naw, I have been dodging them for 4 years. Gotta give em credit though, they are persistent little buggers.
They have NOT been able to take me or my family out, sickened us yes, but not murdered.
But these people are dead: http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/micro_dees2.jpg
And so are the Dead Gardasil Girls: http://nwotruth.com/texas-school-girls-still-dying-in-the-wake-of-rick-perrys-greed/
And these families have some stories to share:http://followingvaccinations.com/
Why would anyone question the World Health Organization…
http://www.adamdanielmezei.com/uploads/MargaretChanWHO.jpg
So very, very credible, professional, and AUTHORITATIVE.
“We have been shown people with serious faces and a professional air, the sort to whom ordinary mortals tend to ascribe genuine competence and evident integrity.
Their herald, elevated by some to hero, is called Margaret Chan. If her manner does not excite much sympathy, her curriculum vitae speaks for itself.”
Or Laurie Garrett? http://www.fluscam.com/FEAR,_FLU_%26_FRAUD.html
“So the proper picture here shows Laurie Garrett prostituting for the drug cartel, moaning about the coming plagues, sucking up to vaccine sorcerers, and fornicating for the orgasmic goal of profitable depopulation.”
I wonder how many Big Pharma Whores live and breath here at Free Thought Blogs???
Jen
I think most who vaccinate their kids and stick up for vaccines on the Internet are True Believers. Naive, but they really believe that syringe filled with a slurry of toxins and chemicals shot into the body will help rather than hurt. And it is likely that most who comment here are also True Believers who show an unusual dedication to science without questioning the ebb and flow of the almighty dollar attached to the mass poisoning of humanity.
But to assume that no organized efforts exist to maintain and even expand the vaccine industry seems just a wee bit delusional. And to think that Big Pharma is just sitting quietly doing nothing proactive to deal with dissenters is more than naive, it is childish.
I don’t really care if I am talking to a true believer or a paid shill. Lord knows I have debated plenty of both over at Free Republic for the past eight years. A whole posse of full time commenters playing “Whack a Mole” over on that site, no doubt bought and paid for by Pharma Companies to defend and push Allopathic Medicine to death, would pop up any time someone posted a thread questioning any part of the Health Care System, especially vaccines. You know the game where a mole pops up and little kids have to whack it down with a mallet? Well that is how it felt to be a participant on that site when talking about Healing.
How pathetic of a product are you selling when you have to have government mandates, police, courts, and over zealous politicians shove your comodity on the populace.
I understand the “Herd Immunity” argument.
But can we all suspend disbelief for just a minute and throw out the idea that this is a Marketing Tactic.
What other industry could get away with this fraud? And get politicians to write laws making it impossible for those damaged or killed by said product absolved of all financial responsibility to victims and their families. No other manufacturer in the world would attempt or presume that level of fraud.
But the drug companies know that if Vaccines go down they are going to take the whole bloated, toxic, behemoth known as modern medicine with it. And they sure as hell are not going down without a fight.
If you are a true believer, do some research on one of the excellent web sites put together by people not in the pay of Big Pharma.
If you are a paid troll, look in the mirror and ask yourself if that check you get every month from your pimp is worth the death and disbility of huge swaths of humanity being sacrificed on the alter of prosperity and financial solvency. Shame, Shame, Shame on you. Get a real job, do something positive with your life, produce something to help humanity, serve those in need and STOP fueling the insanity by dumping on Mothers like me who just want to raise a healthy Family.
Jenny Hatch
Sincerity….hmmmm.
How to word this…..thinking…..(pondering)
Sincere, Is it possible for me to even consider Sincerity?
Snark is usually my best tactic when chatting about vaccines, but hmmm, this dude really seems to want to know what I think.
Lives saved by Vaccines.
It is my humble and sincere belief that from the beginning of the twentieth century elites have used vaccines to cull the population and intoxicate as many people with deadly toxins as possible to create a neverending stream of income for themselves, their friends, and their families.
I believe the very vaccines used to “Prevent” certain diseases in fact give individuals the disease in question and the vaccine manufacturers, who also own the media, use fear based programming to frighten the gullible into getting the shot.
Exibit 1: Swine Flu H1 N1
In the lead up to the vaccine being available, the level of media propaganda was tailored to each country. In America, a high school football player in his prime was featured all over the news as being struck down by the disease. In Canada it was a hockey player, in Australia it was prob a Rugby Player, and no doubt in England a prize Polo player was featured all over the news as having fallen prey to the dread disease.
Thinking being that if the young, anthletic, and healthy are keeling over dead or disabled, Everyone needs to get this shot, TODAY, or we are all gonna die.
Some of us have done the research and understand exactly what a squalene adjuvenated flu shot is doing to the American People. You watch, it won’t be long now…just a few more years and you will see a new disease hit marked by a strange purplish hue on the faces and bodies of those who received the shot.
This purple bruising will be evidence that Squalene Adjuvent was included in some of the vaccines, and while doctors run around trying to figure out what the new plague of the week is, citizens will be dropping like flies as the body shuts down from a cytokine storm.
I recomend reading Vaccine A by Gary Matsumoto to educate yourselves on Squalene Adjuvent.
Lives Saved? Not too many…
Lives Destroyed? Millions upon Millions upon Millions.
Jenny
Hey Guys,
I am into nourishing my brain with vitamins, minerals, and protein. I use alternative healing to keep me healthy and well. Not into Sorcery, Witches Brews, and Toxic Crap being injected into my body and the bodies/minds of my children.
Not crazy, Not Paranoid, Not Delusional…just quietly educating anyone interested in an alternative path, and willing to stand publicly against the Death Merchants.
The fact that the Death Merchants have targeted me for poisoning has taught me that my message and my tactics have been effective. I should insert here that it is my faith in Jesus Christ and my knowledge of how to quickly detoxify my body using alternative healing that has enabled me to remain alive despite multiple attacks.
For those who would like to learn more about the Death Merchants:
Google:
Partnership for New York City – http://www.pfnyc.org/history.html
and the Rockefellers-Population Council (Leading De-Population Group),
Goldman Sachs-Lloyd Blankfein, Scientific Fraud from President Obamas Favorite Corporation.
Rupert Murdoch and family – heads of Merck. Smith Kline Beecham, and Elisabeth Murdoch of the Murdoch Childrens Research Institute:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Murdoch_(philanthropist)
Thomas Glocer-Merck and Reuters,
John Holdren – (Obama Science Czar) Called for massive global depopulation using vaccine in his book.
History of Vaccines with Dr. Leonard Horowitz Part 1 of 6:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tynHSqJsEs&noredirect=1
History of Vaccines with Dr. Leonard Horowitz Part 2 of 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgodtOhwnVM&feature=related
History of Vaccines with Dr. Leonard Horowitz Part 3 of 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2VNu4wu4ZY&feature=related
Lots of Love!
Jenny Hatch
Healthy Families Make A Healthy World!
Astroturf is as Astroturf does…A Trip to Grand Junction on the Democrat Bus
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My Report:
Yesterday I took a bus ride with a group of people down to President Obamas Grand Junction Colorado Town Hall on health care.
I should preface this after action report with a few foundational thoughts and a little bit of background.
First, I was completely honest about my name, the fact that I was/am a Citizen Reporter for the Huffington Post, and the fact that I write a politically charged health care blog, and am a health care activist.
While I did not tell those in charge of the trip that I am also a conservative free market activist who is planning the next Denver Tea Party and has been a member of Free Republic for the past five years, I did make it clear to my seat mate Janice that I have serious issues with our health care system as it stands and want to see some permanent reforms put in place.
The bottom line is that I went to Grand Junction yesterday to get some information to write this blog entry and do a video montage for HuffPo and I told anyone who asked me why I was on that bus the truth of my goals for the day. The day before the trip, I saw on our local news that several groups were providing free bus rides for the 5 hour trip from Denver, and I made the decision to ask the Democrats if I could ride along with them and they said yes.
While I am well aware that they never would have allowed me on that bus if they had known who I was and what I believe politically, I am still grateful for the opportunity to share the details of my day with my readers and my friends at Free Republic, because this insiders view of the trip was a total education for me and I hope it will provide some enlightenment for those who read it.
As for background, my long time readers know and my conservative pals at Free Republic have been extremely aware of my disdain for the Medical Profession for years. Most of my blog posts that have been cross published at Free Republic have been rants against Allopathy on one topic or another….generally regarding birth, vaccines, psychiatric care, and anything that touches on family life.
I know that some of my conservative friends have been confused by this activism and many have questioned my passion, especially those who knew nothing of my health history. I won’t take the time to outline WHY I am such an activist when it comes to reforming the Medical Birth Machine or the Psychiatric Profession. Those blog entries have already been written, but I will say that in medical settings I have experienced every sort of medical abomination and infringement of my rights as an individual and those abuses have fueled my activism and passion that mothers especially, are protected from the medical machine while they are birthing and nurturing their babes.
In all of my activism these past twenty years since I certified as a childbirth educator, almost ALL of my fellow activists in the birth and psychiatric reform movements have been left politically. And I give so many of them credit that in our interactions, for the most part, when they discovered that I was a conservative, they still embraced me and my voice and passion as we worked together to make some change in our society.
Conversely, when talking with conservatives about health care issues, I have observed a general blindness and willingness to “look the other way” when I talked to them about health care conspiracies and abuses. So many times I felt like I was butting my head against a wall as I tried to talk to fellow conservative political activists about the abuses, money, and power that was being concentrated in a few Big Pharma hands. Often I have been treated by my family and conservative friends as a raving lunatic who probably SHOULD have been psychiatrically medicated these past twenty years when I would get talking about these health care issues.
That being said, I have felt very comfortable over the years hangin’ with Dems when we talk about reforming health care.
The fact that I agree 100% with John Mackey (CEO of Whole Foods) who wrote the brilliant piece in the Wall Street Journal last week outlining market reforms that if implemented would increase health in America tells me that there is a third and better way from the status quo being defended by republicans and what the dems are proposing in terms of adding another layer of socialized medicine to our government.
And one final thought before I share the details of my day:
If everyone who has an opinion on this topic of health care reform could just start from a place of one assumption, 95% of the confusion and fogginess that is currently whirling around the debate in Congress and our Marketplace of Ideas would immediately disapear.
That assumption is this: The Pharmaceutical companies have already won.
In American Politics the people with the most money, power, clout, and influence win. (This blog post is a perfect example of WHY I read the Huffington Post Every Day!) Michelle Malkin is also all over this story, and so is Darleen Click at Protein Wisdom…
She Said:
“Yeah, right. Let’s run this again … Man owns firm, man takes government job, man sells firm and firm owes man $2 million (if firm goes bust, man out $2 mil), firm lands multi-million dollar contracts from organizations doing business with the government on a top issue for the person man works for and man is out advocating for.
Doesn’t pass the smell test, no matter how many times it’s being run through the washing machine.”
Hugh Hewitt and Politico
And in fact the people with the most money, power, influence, and control is Big Pharma. They control the main stream media, they control the medical schools, they control the FDA, The CDC, and they have almost complete control of the three branches of our Federal Government.
My question to all members of Congress, the President, and our Judges on the Supreme Court is this…
What are you going to do to protect me as an individual from the coercive power of the pharmaceutical companies?
And do I as a Mother have the right to make health care decisions for an in behalf of my minor children?
Now as members of the American Political infrastructure who are currently trying to set up a plan that will undoubtedly impact Americans for generations to come the ultimate answer for every single question being raised by every person in our society is summed up in one word.
Coercion.
If the medical profession backed up by the government has the coersive power to force me to have a c-section, take psychiatric meds, vaccinate my children, send my children to government schools (Which are all vested in the idea that being a doctor is the pinnacle of our educational system), abort my child and sterilize me if I don’t live politically correct in thought, word, and deed, and on the other end of life, force me to get end of life counseling, care, and/or euthenized….if Big Pharma has these powers and controls federalized in the form of a nationalized health system and I as an individual mother have no ability to say no without being thrown in jail. If that is where we are at, then a medical police state is in fact where we are and there is no hope for the future.
The antidote to all of this is to make everything optional.
OPTIONAL.
Yes, I as a citizen of the USA and as sovereign over my own body and mind have the right to say NO, I do not want that C-section, I do not want my children poisoned with vaccines. I do not want to take psychiatric meds if I am suffering emotionally, I do not want to have my family size limited based on some beaurecrats decision, I do not want my life artificially extended or cut short by some health manager making my end of life decisions for me, and I DO NOT WANT SOME BUSYBODY IN MY HOME TELLING ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILDREN.
If the Congress can set up those sorts of consumer protections and guarantees in this health bill and/or write a new amendment to the constitution assuring We the People of Health Freedom, to me, the details really don’t matter all that much. I know the Devil is in the details…but if the coervise power of the medical profession is broken, consumers on their own will be freed to make the health care decisions for themselves and their children.
Daniel Hauser and his Mother
The spectacle of a mother fleeing the country with her teenage son who does not want chemotherapy for his cancer should be the image in everyones mind when thinking of this issue.
The abuses/controls/coercive power of the medical profession is very frightening to many families. If the politicians can find a way to somehow ensure that we are protected and free to choose the type of care in whatever form we feel is best for our own lives and children, then to me, that is really all I care about as a health consumer.
As I’ve said in the past, we have a free market health system in America and it is defined by alternative healing. This branch of the health care world is thriving!~ And if I as a consumer was given a 1500.00 a year health account and enabled to spend it any way I wanted, I would get a monthly massage and a few chiropractic adjustments with my share of the money. Another family may choose to spend those dollars on traditional medical care in the form of a yearly physical from their doctor, prenatal care, and/or medical treatments for asthma or diabetes.
Health FREEDOM is the long term answer for our nation.
Here is my after action report with a bit of political analysis on the term Astroturfing thrown in for color.
I have been hearing for weeks that those opposed to the Obamacare plan were being funded by Insurance companies and other big groups. Nancy Pelosi has been particularly vitriolic in her verbiage amidst these claims. Making them with zero evidence beyond our groups being “too well dressed”.
Astroturf has been tossed about as a juxtiposition with the term grass roots activism, which tends to come from the ground up, whereas astroturf tends to come from the top down in terms of money for funding these events, talking points, interactions with the press, and how the people are transported to the event and the tone, feel, and control over how the event is displayed in the press and now on the web in the form of citizen reports.
For the past few years I have attempted to honestly share what I have observed at various events where the left was shaping a message, wether it was regarding the War in Iraq, the Democratic National Convention, and/or activism in my community around how our side is represented in the press, and confronting those antiamerican messages being tossed to us through the media.
I do this because I enjoy street activism and as a trained actor, I love street theatre.
So yesterday was a treat for me from beginning to end.
I awoke at 7am and prepared for the day by packing my camera, cd player, cds to listen to on the bus, a DVD player to watch movies, and some water, change of clothes, and my camera bag. I brought my credit card because I was not certain I would be allowed on the bus, and figured I would need to gas up the car if I drove myself, and if I was allowed on the bus and at any juncture thrown off the bus for any reason, I would need some transportation home. I was prepared to rent a car or hop on a shuttle and/or take greyhound back to Denver.
As a last resort I figured I could call my husband to come rescue me if I was stranded anywhere, although I knew I would never hear the end of it if he had to come pick me up somewhere along I-70 after being left at the side of the road. These realities kept me vigilent in making sure I landed safely home in Arvada with the group I traveled with. We only have one car and it was sitting at the park and ride 30 minutes from our home all day long – so I knew Paul would be doubly mad if he had to get a ride to pick up our car and then come find me.
As I left he yelled out his standard, “Don’t get arrested” to me, which is generally what he says when I leave to go do some street acitivsm around town.
I drove straight to the parking lot at the wadsworth park n ride and a kind faced gentleman came up and asked me if I was part of the Grand Junction group. I told him that I was a citizen reporter for the Huffington Post and that I planned to drive myself to the event, but if he had space on his bus I would prefer driving with a group to save myself the gas money.
He told me he thought I would fit on the bus just fine and that I would be welcome to drive with his group.
Thus began my 16 hour day.
I was fully prepared to drive by myself to the event and just cover it from whatever vantage point I could muster, but I was thrilled and somewhat nervous to get on that bus and spend the whole day with those wonderful people.
I had determined to myself that if anyone asked me my political views and/or party that I was going to be honest. But no one did. They all just assumed because I was a huffpo citizen reporter that I was a liberal.
I tried not to talk too much and really spent most of the time on the bus listening to music and thinking about getting home if it became apparent that I was not supposed to be on that bus.
As for the bus ride itself…it was fun. The spirit was upbeat, postitive, everyone was extremely kind, generous, and helpful. I could not believe how friendly everyone was to me, a complete stranger. The warm embrace I experienced from that group was amazing, heart felt, and not to be diminished in any way.
The bus was packed, and those in charge were extremely organized and solicitous of the physical well being of the people traveling. It was a hot, dusty, windy august day in the desert of Colorado and the planners were prepared with cases of water bottles, a working air conditioning system and two well timed rest stop bathroom breaks on the trip.
I was impressed with the box lunches prepared for the whole group, and when I declined, I had several people keep offering me food. I felt a little guilty eating the food as I knew that it was not meant for me. I am allergic to tree nuts and the bread on the sandwiches looked like they had nuts in them, so I used that as my excuse. I did end up eating a slice of pizza later in the day and drinking about seven water bottles, which were very much needed and appreciated. (If you are one of the democrat activists reading this post and are angry that your food and water went to feed and hydrate a Freeper, please contact me and I will gladly reimburse you for the money spent). I’ll even chip in some money for the gas for the bus. I did donate a dollar to the bag that was passed around to pay the bus driver a tip. But other than that I did not spend any money on the event and completely free loaded the whole day on the dime of whoever was paying for it.
As we traveled I marveled at the beauty of our amazing state. Often when making that trip, I am the one driving, and I am not able to gaze the way I would like. I just drank in the beauty of the mountains, valleys, streams, wildflowers, snow, and vistas of beautiful Colorado as I listened to my favorite CD’s and chatted with my seatmate – a retired Colorado Springs school teacher and mother of three and grandmother of six. I really enjoyed talking to her.
It troubles me to think that she and those I visited with on the trip will probably be extremely angry at me for not fully identifying myself before we left. I really enjoyed meeting all of them and learning for myself how a democratic event is run from the inside.
As for the people themselves, I guess a good question to begin with is WHY would a group of fifty people travel five hours (and for the people from Colorado Springs) upwards of seven/eight hours each way to spend two hours in the blazing august sun with the dust blowing in their faces and Lovers of freedom across the street yelling and shouting at them? Why would they do that? Sure the bus ride was air conditioned, but the bus itself was very old, the bathroom on board was broken and the smoothness of the ride was made very uncomfortable by the jolting of the gears as we climbed the mountain passes.
It was a long, hot, uncomfortable day.
Why would those people take the time, energy, and show the passion they exhibited, not just at the rally, but also on the bus in various discussions etc…
Was it real? Were they paid? They certainly were made more comfortable with the food, water, bathroom breaks, good company, music, high spirits, etc etc… and many of them expressed a deep desire to support President Obama and his goals for reforming health care.
My gut feeling is that they were not paid to be there.
I saw deep conviction. Real Passion. Real emotion as stories were shared on the bus and the most heartfelt concern for the poor, disabled, and disenfranchised of our society.
Only those who went know wether or not they were the real astroturfers – being paid and set up to make a public show of support for the president.
Lord knows they were supported by somebody. As to who was paying the bills for the bus, the food and water, the pre made signs – which mostly were hand drawn, but provided by the planners. (Several people tried to get me to take a sign, but I told them I was there to interview the other side for the Huffington Post).
When we arrived in Grand Junction we drove straight to the high school. The gal who was in charge, a twenty something cutie with passion in her face, got on the sound system and said to the group that it was our job to respect the anti obama demonstrators. She was very clear that we were not to interfere with their free speech. I was so impressed by her clarity, confidence, and willingness to be the hard nosed leader of the group. She said that if anyone became too inflamed she would take them out of the group and not let them demonstrate and our goal was to be upbeat, positive, and confident.
Who can argue with that? I told Paul last night that I just felt like crying as she talked. I was so touched. This is AMERICA. We all have free speech and in attempting to debate, shake up, and break down old systems of thinking…sometimes emotions get frayed and tempers can overwhelm. During the whole event I saw much more rage coming from those opposed to Obamacare than from the Democrat Activist side.
This is illustrated in the video montage I made for Huffington Post.
When the event was over, we all piled back on the bus and Senator Bennett came to speak to everyone. He was very grateful that they all came to the event. I could not hear what he said, but I could tell it meant alot to them that he was there to talk to them.
As for who was astroturfing, the Conservative side simply had home made signs and a few speakerphones. They were all on foot, and I saw no bus loads of people showing up to demonstrate with them. It was all just individuals and families. I did hear one young man yell that Obama was an f’ing n word before he took off on his bike. I thought he was a coward and a bully. Another young teenage girl was yelling F you and flipping the bird as she demonstrated against the dems. I did not see any of this type of behavior from the Democrat activists. They were all laughing and singing along with the music and ignoring the racial and profane slurs being shoved on them. I was a little embarassed to see the conservative side being so rude, and it was a good wake up call to stand back and see how we present ourselves from the other side of the street.
The democrat side had a huge water station, four portable toilets, free granola bars and apples, a flat bed truck with signs, flags, bales of hay, a DJ with very loud music playing, a food vendor selling food, and the aforementioned pre made signs and bussed in people. If I was just going to look at it from a logical view I would say that the leftys were being funded by someone. And that’s cool, we all have the freedom to organize, fund, plan, shout, etc etc etc… but to say that the right side is all astroturf all the time and that big industry is manipulating, massaging, and funding the messages being portrayed on the signs…that is simply NOT TRUE. And Nancy Pelosi either needs to prove it or shut her trap.
I took about a half hour before we left to go over the the conservative side and take some closeup pictures and video before we left the rally.
That montage I made for Huff Po is below:
You Tube Link
On the bus on the way home I watched a movie until my DVD battery died, ate a piece of pizza, and dozed. It was a LONG, hot ride home and when we arrived at the park n ride in Arvada, I was very grateful to get off the bus. I said goodbye to my seat mate and thanked the driver for his excellent ability and safe passage home, and then hopped in my car and went home.
Paul and I talked for an hour about everything before I zonked off. I told him about riding on the democrat bus and he said it was good I made it home safe given the emotions on both sides of the issue. I expressed to him many of the thoughts in this blog post and he agreed that both sides need to stop yelling and start talking and understanding each other better.
It was an eventful, wonderful, fun, exhausting day at the rally, and I am so grateful I had the chance to attend.
One final funny moment, and truly the freakiest part of the day for me. I met a woman at the July 4th teaparty in Denver. I actually interviewed her for one of my videos, and just as I stepped off the bus she was standing there taking pictures of the activists who had been bussed in. I said, “You can’t recognize me!” And then I told her I was making a report for Huffington Post and walked away. She looked very surprised and curious to see me, with that group, at that event. I would have liked to talk to her and tell her what I was doing. But I did not want anyone to know that I was a conservative at that point.
Anyway, that was the only time I felt any real fear during the day. Mostly I spent those hours with a group of very kind and fun people who felt passionate enough to get on a bus to go support their cause, and that is what America is all about. I like to think that if I had told the democrat activists who I was and what I believed that they would have treated me with the same deference and kindness. I suspect that would not have been the case. And that demonization of each other is what needs to be overcome in our debates. I promise to do my part to overcome that tendency in my own heart.
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