Dave Rubin Show with Paul Rossi on Critical Race Theory

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Dave Rubin talks to Paul Rossi, a whistleblower and math teacher at Grace Church School, about the NYC private schoolโ€™s critical race theory curriculum that led him to publish โ€œI Refuse to Stand By While My Students Are Indoctrinatedโ€ on the Substack of Bari Weiss.

In this clip Paul reveals the damage being done by critical race theory being forced onto young kids. Paul describes how critical race theory in education had been building slowly for years. Recently he had noticed the damaging effects it was having on his students by making them feel like they couldnโ€™t have opinions that differed from the social justice orthodoxy. Young kids were made to feel guilt and shame over their alleged โ€œwhite privilegeโ€. He also describes the incident that made him decide to speak up and put his job at risk.

I Refuse to Stand By While My Students Are Indoctrinated

Children are afraid to challenge the repressive ideology that rules our school. Thatโ€™s why I am.

Paul RossiApr 13

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I am a teacher at Grace Church High School in Manhattan. Ten years ago, I changed careers when I discovered how rewarding it is to help young people explore the truth and beauty of mathematics. I love my work.

As a teacher, my first obligation is to my students. But right now, my school is asking me to embrace โ€œantiracismโ€ training and pedagogy that I believe is deeply harmful to them and to any person who seeks to nurture the virtues of curiosity, empathy and understanding.   

โ€œAntiracistโ€ training sounds righteous, but it is the opposite of truth in advertising. It requires teachers like myself to treat students differently on the basis of race. Furthermore, in order to maintain a united front for our students, teachers at Grace are directed to confine our doubts about this pedagogical framework to conversations with an in-house โ€œOffice of Community Engagementโ€ for whom every significant objection leads to a foregone conclusion. Any doubting students are likewise โ€œchallengedโ€ to reframe their views to conform to this orthodoxy.

I know that by attaching my name to this Iโ€™m risking not only my current job but my career as an educator, since most schools, both public and private, are now captive to this backward ideology. But witnessing the harmful impact it has on children, I canโ€™t stay silent.  


My school, like so many others, induces students via shame and sophistry to identify primarily with their race before their individual identities are fully formed. Students are pressured to conform their opinions to those broadly associated with their race and gender and to minimize or dismiss individual experiences that donโ€™t match those assumptions. The morally compromised status of โ€œoppressorโ€ is assigned to one group of students based on their immutable characteristics. In the meantime, dependency, resentment and moral superiority are cultivated in students considered โ€œoppressed.โ€

All of this is done in the name of โ€œequity,โ€ but it is the opposite of fair. In reality, all of this reinforces the worst impulses we have as human beings: our tendency toward tribalism and sectarianism that a truly liberal education is meant to transcend.

Recently, I raised questions about this ideology at a mandatory, whites-only student and faculty Zoom meeting. (Such racially segregated sessions are now commonplace at my school.) It was a bait-and-switch โ€œself-careโ€ seminar that labelled โ€œobjectivity,โ€ โ€œindividualism,โ€ โ€œfear of open conflict,โ€ and even โ€œa right to comfortโ€ as characteristics of white supremacy. I doubted that these human attributes โ€” many of them virtues reframed as vices โ€” should be racialized in this way. In the Zoom chat, I also questioned whether one must define oneself in terms of a racial identity at all. My goal was to model for students that they should feel safe to question ideological assertions if they felt moved to do so. 

It seemed like my questions broke the ice. Students and even a few teachers offered a broad range of questions and observations. Many students said it was a more productive and substantive discussion than they expected.

However, when my questions were shared outside this forum, violating the school norm of confidentiality, I was informed by the head of the high school that my philosophical challenges had caused โ€œharmโ€ to students, given that these topics were โ€œlife and death matters, about peopleโ€™s flesh and blood and bone.โ€ I was reprimanded for โ€œacting like an independent agent of a set of principles or ideas or beliefs.โ€ And I was told that by doing so, I failed to serve the โ€œgreater good and the higher truth.โ€ 

He further informed me that I had created โ€œdissonance for vulnerable and unformed thinkersโ€ and โ€œneurological disturbance in studentsโ€™ beings and systems.โ€ The schoolโ€™s director of studies added that my remarks could even constitute harassment.

A few days later, the head of school ordered all high school advisors to read a public reprimand of my conduct out loud to every student in the school. It was a surreal experience, walking the halls alone and hearing the words emitting from each classroom: โ€œEvents from last week compel us to underscore some aspects of our mission and share some thoughts about our community,โ€ the statement began. โ€œAt independent schools, with their history of predominantly white populations, racism colludes with other forms of bias (sexism, classism, ableism and so much more) to undermine our stated ideals, and we must work hard to undo this history.โ€

Students from low-income families experience culture shock at our school. Racist incidents happen. And bias can influence relationships. All true. But addressing such problems with a call to โ€œundo historyโ€ lacks any kind of limiting principle and pairs any allegation of bigotry with a priori guilt. My own contract for next year requires me to โ€œparticipate in restorative practices designed by the Office of Community Engagementโ€ in order to โ€œheal my relationship with the students of color and other students in my classes.โ€ The details of these practices remain unspecified until I agree to sign.


I asked my uncomfortable questions in the โ€œself-careโ€ meeting because I felt a duty to my students. I wanted to be a voice for the many students of different backgrounds who have approached me over the course of the past several years to express their frustration with indoctrination at our school, but are afraid to speak up. 

They report that, in their classes and other discussions, they must never challenge any of the premises of our โ€œantiracistโ€ teachings, which are deeply informed by Critical Race Theory. These concerns are confirmed for me when I attend grade-level and all-school meetings about race or gender issues. There, I witness student after student sticking to a narrow script of acceptable responses. Teachers praise insights when they articulate the existing framework or expand it to apply to novel domains. Meantime, it is common for teachers to exhort students who remain silent that โ€œwe really need to hear from you.โ€ 

But what does speaking up mean in a context in which white students are asked to interrogate their โ€œwhite saviorism,โ€ but also โ€œnot make their antiracist practice about themโ€? We are compelling them to tiptoe through a minefield of double-binds. According to the schoolโ€™s own standard for discursive violence, this constitutes abuse. 

Every student at the school must also sign a โ€œStudent Life Agreement,โ€ which requires them to aver that โ€œthe world as we understand it can be hard and extremely biased,โ€ that they commit to โ€œrecognize and acknowledge their biases when we come to school, and interrupt those biases,โ€ and accept that they will be โ€œheld accountable should they fall short of the agreement.โ€ A recent faculty email chain received enthusiastic support for recommending that we โ€œโ€˜officiallyโ€™ flag studentsโ€ who appear โ€œresistantโ€ to the โ€œculture we are trying to establish.โ€ 

When I questioned what form this resistance takes, examples presented by a colleague included โ€œpersisting with a colorblind ideology,โ€ โ€œsuggesting that we treat everyone with respect,โ€ โ€œa belief in meritocracy,โ€ and โ€œjust silence.โ€ In a special assembly in February 2019, our head of school said that the impact of words and images perceived as racist โ€” regardless of intent โ€” is akin to โ€œusing a gun or a knife to kill or injure someone.โ€ 

Imagine being a young person in this environment. Would you risk voicing your doubts, especially if you had never heard a single teacher question it?

Last fall, juniors and seniors in my Art of Persuasion class expressed dismay with the โ€œGrace bubbleโ€ and sought to engage with a wider range of political viewpoints. Since the BLM protests often came up in our discussions, I thought of assigning Glenn Loury, a Brown University professor and public intellectual whose writings express a nuanced, center-right position on racial issues in America. Unfortunately, my administration put the kibosh on my proposal.

The head of the high school responded to me that โ€œpeople like Louryโ€™s lived experienceโ€”and therefore his derived social philosophyโ€ made him an exception to the rule that black thinkers acknowledge structural racism as the paramount impediment in society. He added that โ€œthe moment we are in institutionally and culturally, does not lend itself to dispassionate discussion and debate,โ€ and discussing Louryโ€™s ideas would โ€œonly confuse and/or enflame students, both those in the class and others that hear about it outside of the class.โ€ He preferred I assign โ€œmainstream white conservatives,โ€ effectively denying black students the opportunity to hear from a black professor who holds views that diverge from the orthodoxy pushed on them.

I find it self-evidently racist to filter the dissemination of an idea based on the race of the person who espouses it. I find the claim that exposing 11th and 12th graders to diverse views on an important societal issue will only โ€œconfuseโ€ them to be characteristic of a fundamentalist religion, not an educational philosophy. 

My administration says that these constraints on discourse are necessary to shield students from harm. But it is clear to me that these constraints serve primarily to shield their ideology from harm โ€” at the cost of studentsโ€™ psychological and intellectual development. 

It was out of concern for my students that I spoke out in the โ€œself-careโ€ meeting, and it is out of that same concern that I write today. I am concerned for students who crave a broader range of viewpoints in class. I am concerned for students trained in โ€œrace explicitโ€ seminars to accept some opinions as gospel, while discarding as immoral disconfirming evidence. I am concerned for the dozens of students during my time at Grace who shared with me that they have been reproached by teachers for expressing views that are not aligned with the new ideology.

One current student paid me a visit a few weeks ago. He tapped faintly on my office door, anxiously looking both ways before entering. He said he had come to offer me words of support for speaking up at the meeting. 

I thanked him for his comments, but asked him why he seemed so nervous. He told me he was worried that a particular teacher might notice this visit and โ€œit would mean that I would get in trouble.โ€ He reported to me that this teacher once gave him a lengthy โ€œtalking toโ€ for voicing a conservative opinion in class. He then remembered with a sigh of relief that this teacher was absent that day. I looked him in the eyes. I told him he was a brave young man for coming to see me, and that he should be proud of that. 

Then I sent him on his way. And I resolved to write this piece.


CORRECTION: The anecdote about Glenn Loury was originally attributed to the head of Grace Church School. In fact, those statements were made by the head of the high school. Apologies for the error.